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| I know that all pokemon are referred to as "mouse pokemon" or "seed pokemon", but that is not their species. Both Pikachu and Rattata are referred to as "Mouse Pokemon", but are they of the same pokemon species? Simply no. A pokemon species is the pokemon they are, not "mouse" or "fox" pokemon. As such, Pikachu is a member of the Pikachu species and Rattata is a member of the Rattata species. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:24, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | | I know that all pokemon are referred to as "mouse pokemon" or "seed pokemon", but that is not their species. Both Pikachu and Rattata are referred to as "Mouse Pokemon", but are they of the same pokemon species? Simply no. A pokemon species is the pokemon they are, not "mouse" or "fox" pokemon. As such, Pikachu is a member of the Pikachu species and Rattata is a member of the Rattata species. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:24, June 20, 2010 (UTC) |
| :I just figured that we should use any originating-universe data of "species" (or anything) for the infobox, but overriding some parts that don't make sense (such as this one) seems okay. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 16:33, June 20, 2010 (UTC) | | :I just figured that we should use any originating-universe data of "species" (or anything) for the infobox, but overriding some parts that don't make sense (such as this one) seems okay. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 16:33, June 20, 2010 (UTC) |
| From Bulbapedia:<br> | | From Bulbapedia: |
| In a Pokémon's Pokédex information, the species (Japanese: 分類 classification) is a name which identifies the Pokémon based on one of its defining biological characteristics. Most often, the defining traits are part of the Pokémon's physiology, special abilities, or behavior. | | In a Pokémon's Pokédex information, the species (Japanese: 分類 classification) is a name which identifies the Pokémon based on one of its defining biological characteristics. Most often, the defining traits are part of the Pokémon's physiology, special abilities, or behavior. |
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| '''This term should not be confused with a Pokémon species,''' since several different Pokémon can be identified by the same species in the Pokédex, no matter how distantly related. This term should also not be confused with the real world definition of species, since it has nothing to do with which Pokémon are able to breed and produce fertile offspring; in fact, breeding among Pokémon can easily occur between species since it is controlled by egg groups. --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] ([[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:17, 5 March 2011 (EST)
| | This term should not be confused with a Pokémon species, since several different Pokémon can be identified by the same species in the Pokédex, no matter how distantly related. This term should also not be confused with the real world definition of species, since it has nothing to do with which Pokémon are able to breed and produce fertile offspring; in fact, breeding among Pokémon can easily occur between species since it is controlled by egg groups. |
| :I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Yes, we're aware that Pokémon are given a "species" name. But the "species" box in the template is for the character's "actual" species (e.g. human, Gerudo, fox, Yoshi, etc). So while there is a term in the Pokémon universe called "species", we've sort of unofficially decided that it's a misnomer and isn't what we want to put in the infobox. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] Le Grand Fromage 09:56, 5 March 2011 (EST)
| | --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] ([[User talk:Force Fire|talk]]) 09:17, 5 March 2011 (EST) |
| :listen, a pokemon species is things like mouse (pikachu) or flame (charizard), not "pikachu" and "charizard" i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]])tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 20:53, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
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| ::As much as I would love to argue otherwise on this species discussion, do note that this section is really old so continuing this may not be the best thing. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Arwing 20:58, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
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| == WIKIPEDIA!?!? == | | == WIKIPEDIA!?!? == |
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| Now that this wiki is part of Niwa can we link to other Niwa wikis instead of the worst source on the internet. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 20:35, 12 November 2010 (EST) | | Now that this wiki is part of Niwa can we link to other Niwa wikis instead of the worst source on the internet. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 20:35, 12 November 2010 (EST) |
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| we can state it will now take the appearance form Pikachu from X & Y plus they may use the '''5''' new forms of Pikachu instead of ol hats just an idea --[[User:Reshiram1105|Reshiram1105]] ([[User talk:Reshiram1105|talk]]) 18:08, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :This is not a proper usage of talk pages. Please refer to [[SW:TALK]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:11, 25 August 2014 (EDT)
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| == Pikachu's Gender ==
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| Unlike most of the Pokemon we've seen in Smash Brothers, Pikachu actually has gender differences (with it's tail being in a heart shape if it's female, and square if it's male). So my question is, should we refer to him as Male? At least on the pages referring to his Brawl and Sm4sh appearances, since gender differences didn't exist in Melee and genders flat out didn't exist in SSB. Normally, I wouldn't bring up this kinda issue, but for some reason it's been bugging me the past few days and I haven't been able to find another discussion of this on the wiki. [[User:Laikue|That guy Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 02:02, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :It's our current policy to use gender-neutral pronouns for all Pokemon. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 02:14, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Plus, it's a stylistic choice. <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 06:21, 31 August 2014 (EDT)
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| :::I feel like with Pikachu we should refer to him as male, since clearly his anatomy in the Pokemon games of a male Pikachu match his appearance in Smash Bros[[User:Gpev96|Gpev96 (SHAZAM!)]] ([[User talk:Gpev96|talk]]) 21:21, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Pikachu's gender was ambiguous when ''Super Smash Bros.'' was released, and that carried over into later games, even after gender differences were introduced. SmashWiki uses gender-neutral pronouns because the games themselves refer to Pikachu with said pronouns. This applies to other characters, too; even though R.O.B. technically doesn't have a gender since he's not organic, he's widely known as male (and referred to in-game as one). Basically, he was assigned a gender. Pikachu hasn't been assigned one yet and probably won't get one, so the gender-neutral pronouns stay. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:46, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::It's also for consistency. Pikachu's tail being a gender indicator doesn't apply to the first two Smash games, since they predate Gen IV. This would lead to weird situations of using "it" for two games and "he" for two, which looks messy and inconsistent. It's neater to keep a standard of all Pokemon being gender-neutral, and as BNK said it also matches how they're referred to in official media (barring errors like Lucario once or twice). [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:17, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
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| i made them a lot better. hope you're happy, miles. i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]])tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 20:51, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
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| :It's still not our coverage area. Leave that to Bulbapedia please. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:59, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
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| :Plus I still think that the species should be called "Pikachu", not "Mouse Pokémon". [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Reaper 21:03, 19 July 2015 (EDT)
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| ::@miles: this info is based on the pokedex's info. @dots: the species is not the pokemon's name. i'm [[:User:Valehd|Valehd]] the smashbro pro!([[User talk:Valehd|talk]])tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 17:14, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
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| :::It kind of is. It's honestly kind of like calling a lion "The Maned Cat". It's an accurate descriptor, but it's not the name of the species. Keep in mind what Pokémon evolution actually is (metamorphosis). [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 18:33, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
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| :::In that case, the Pokémon's species' name is '''not''' the Pokédex title that a Pokémon is given. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Omega 18:38, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
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| I'm with Miles and Dots here. If you were to see a Pikachu in the wild, you wouldn't say, "Oh, its a Mouse Pokémon!" In the games, on Bulbapedia, and on Wikipedia, individual Pokémon species are referred to by their more common names. It's sort of like calling Blinky and Clyde "Shadow" and "Pokey". Shadow and Pokey are their "official" name, according to the 1980's classic. Remember, this is about how things are referred to in Smash. [[User:John3637881|John]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 17:42, 25 July 2015 (EDT)
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| It released yesterday. Should we count it as the most recent game for Pikachu, or does it not really count? The game refers to the Pokémon images created by solving puzzles as the actual Pokémon, but... [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:04, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| :Err...I would say not. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 19:28, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| ::Miles said no on his "recent releases" thing. I'd say yes, but whatever. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="red">SANTY</font> <font color="green">CLAWS</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 19:30, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| :::I guess it doesn't really matter either way... [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:38, 4 December 2015 (EST)
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| == Pikachu Libre ==
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| Should Pikachu Libre ''really'' be in the infobox? Its technically a different Pikachu known as the Cosplay Pikachu. Is having a "Fighter Spirit" enough to warrant it despite that? Or is this case like Alph or Corrin? [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 23:37, May 9, 2019 (EDT)
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| ==Design? Created?==
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| The infobox of the character says that Atsuko Nishida is its creator, while Ken Sugimori designed it. However, the trivia claims that Nishida designed the character instead of Sugimori. Is there a problem? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:46, May 31, 2020 (EDT)
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| :Nishida created Pikachu's design and original 8-bit sprite, and Sugimori illustrated the final character art. So it would be more accurate to say "Artist: Ken Sugimori" rather than "Designer: Ken Sugimori", but the template doesn't account for that. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 19:10, May 31, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::Okay then! How about I ask an admin to add that in? [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 20:48, June 1, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::I think Serena already did. 2nd paragraph in Origin. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:12, June 1, 2020 (EDT)
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