Editing Talk:Phantom Zelda

== Toon Zelda ==
Phantom Zelda is a form of Toon Zelda. So should her trophies and spirits also appear on this page, if not just her ''Spirit Tracks'' incarnation? Or should this page be renamed to '''Toon Zelda''' as the Phantom form is not necessarily on the same level as Sheik and Tetra? There is more ''Smash'' info than can be added if so. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 23:49, March 15, 2019 (EDT)

== What is this page? ==

This page makes no sense for Smash Brothers. "Phantom Zelda" herself isn't in ''Smash Bros.'', outside of a [[:File:Zelda Spirit Tracks Spirit.png|spirit]], but that is only of Zelda. The Phantom that Zelda summons is just that, a regular Phantom. If Zelda actually appeared in the suit, then this page would be relevant, but she doesn't.

[[Phantom Slash]] already covers the actual move. Should this just be moved to Phantom, if that's even needed? Or should this page just be deleted? [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 00:48, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:In the Zelda series, “Phantom Zelda” refers to when Zelda is actively possessing a phantom, not Zelda herself. In Spirit Tracks, Zelda is a literal spirit during the events. In Smash Bros., Zelda commands one, which I think still applies. That is still technically possessing one, just verbally instead of physically. Phantoms themselves are basically ghost armor enemies. I think this page make sense. Plus, it seems pretty obvious that Phantom Slash is based on Phantom Zelda. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.175.176|172.58.175.176]] 01:45, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
::"“Phantom Zelda” refers to when Zelda is actively possessing a phantom"
::Yes, exactly. Zelda isn't possessing anything, she's summoning/building one up. Sure, the move is a reference to ''Spirit Tracks'' as it's the only time Zelda is seen interacting with the Phantoms in the main series, but the move is more based on the Phantoms themselves than Zelda's direct control over them. The Phantom doesn't have the eyes that signify it is being controlled; if anything, it's a Phantom Zelda creates rather than take over. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 11:03, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
:::But isn't Zelda still "controlling" one? ''"Possession: the state of having, owning, or '''controlling''' something."'' As [[Special:Contributions/172.58.175.176|172.58.175.176]] said, ''"still technically possessing one, just verbally instead of physically"''. I think that counts as well. One could argue the difference between if its ''specifically'' Zelda's ''spirit'' is the one controlling it or not, but going by the definition of "Possession", either way applies. Even if ''"it's a Phantom Zelda creates rather than take over"'', its still following what Zelda commands of it, isn't it? I think its the ''actions'' of Zelda rather than her ''state'' in the case of ''Smash''. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 19:24, April 21, 2019 (EDT)
::::The name "Phantom Zelda" specifically refers to Zelda taking over a Phantom, not just calling one up. A line on [[Phantom Slash]]'s page (which already covers most of what this page does) even says this: "''Also, despite being recolored to Zelda's more feminine theme, the eyes do not glow at all (a reference to how non-possessed Phantoms have no visible eyes).''" It may be colored like Phantom Zelda's possession, but otherwise gives no indication the Phantom is actually possessed. And by "possessed" in this sense, it means taking over by jumping into their body, which, of course, Zelda does not do. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 19:29, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
:::::The sentence you quoted actually isn't from any game. But even if we decide it isn't "Phantom Zelda", its still a Phantom nonetheless. Since Phantoms are enemies in the ''Zelda'' series, then this page should be change to simply "'''Phantom'''", and rewritten. Characters that are part of a fighters moveset have pages separate from the move(s) they are in. Such as [[Rush]] from ''Mega Man'' and [[Lloid]] from ''Animal Crossing''. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:58, April 22, 2019 (EDT)
::::::Yes, that's what I'm saying. If we need to cover the Phantom, should just be the Phantom itself, not Phantom Zelda. [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 12:09, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
<small>(Reset indent) </small> I have to agree with Alex. The whole point of the move is the Phantom itself; Phantom Zelda is Zelda's spirit taking over a Phantom in Spirit Tracks. In both Smash 4 and Ultimate, Zelda is using the Phantom to attack, not actually possessing it (though it would be a cool reference if she took over the Phantom during the charging stages, but I digress), therefore making it just a generic Phantom that she's utilizing to attack with. That said, if we are going to focus on the Phantom itself, then shouldn't we have a page covering [[zeldawiki:Phantom|exactly that]]? [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 13:35, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
:Then this page should be renamed to '''Phantom'''. Most of the info that needs to then change is the infobox. As for the origin, Phantom Zelda can just be briefly mentioned. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 14:46, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
:Since I couldn't "move" this page (Phantom Zelda), I redirected it to the correct page (Phantom). [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 17:08, April 28, 2019 (EDT)
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