Editing Talk:Peach (SSB4)

==Organized moveset formatting==
[[User:Bulbaboy]], I feel like it's worth having the organized moveset chart in there, even if it's really buggy as of now. I've seen it on other pages as well, and having all of the % damages there can be really useful.
(And I spent way too much time gathering all of the data ;_;) [[User:Oasiris|Oasiris]] ([[User talk:Oasiris|talk]]) 01:02, 13 October 2014 (EDT)

== [[:File:SSB4 - Peach Screen-8.jpg|This]] ==

It looks like her up tilt. What do people think? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 12:07, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:I'd agree with that. However, other people will probably tell you that you're speculating and you can't put it in the article, Although if anything here is speculation, it's the forward air, it looks more like a back air to me. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 13:19, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
::In that image Peach is holding her crown (which she doesn't take off in her back aerial) and it doesn't really look like her back aerial IMO. And I know it could be speculation, but I dunno what other move it could be. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 13:22, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:::You're assuming the back air will be exactly the same as it was in Brawl. Nothing stops Peach from getting a new back air. Look at the way Peach's body is facing, and the starting point of the air-slice-thing. It looks like she's supposed to be facing the other way, but is doing a backhanded crown attack. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 16:12, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

I think it looks like her u-tilt, but I could be wrong. [[User:Boo Buddy|<font style="color:black">Boo</font>]] [[User talk:Boo Buddy|<font style="color:black">Buddy</font>]][[File:Haunter MS.png|19px]] 14:46, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

== Forward Smash, dash attack, midair jump, Peach Bomber ==

Can someone link me the videos where these supposed changes are seen? I would like to verify them, especially the forward smash one, as "has a different animation" is very vague. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:53, 14 May 2014 (EDT)
:Her Fsmash looks the same to me, I don't know where that came from. The peach bomber is shown a couple times in the april direct, once during the "Technical Tidbit" and once during the "Differences Between", if anywhere else as well. The dash attack is also seen in the former section. The jump might have been shown only in the Smash Run section, which means its not accurate due to powerups, but I don't know for sure. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 11:09, 14 May 2014 (EDT)

to awnser the question of "Omega Tyrant" and to complete what "FirstaLasto" said,yes,her side smash animation has changed.now,instead of using her 2 hands to hit her opponents,she only hits with one hand. and about her midair jump,yes it changed.it seems to give her the same altitude from melee and it wasn't in smash run mode.it was in normal gameplay.
here's a picture of her new side smash animation:[https://www.facebook.com/fsafrearfete/photos/a.260196900830244.1073741835.226128844237050/260199440829990/?type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-prn1%2Ft1.0-9%2F10174976_260199440829990_7878033410276294476_n.jpg&size=960%2C540&fbid=260199440829990]
and here's the video that shows peach's midair jump:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlBLJVYrEs] put at 0:57 [[User:Pudim|Pudim]] ([[User talk:Pudim|talk]]) 19:43, 19 May 2014 (EDT)pudim
:There are many things wrong with this post. One, post in the section you're responding to, don't make a new section. Two, don't just throw a link down, put it in brackets, especially when the url is that huge. Third, when linking a video, link to the time in the video that what you're pointing out occurs. Fourth, use proper grammar and punctuation in your post, that post was just atrocious to read.

:With that said, thanks for providing the links, but construct your posts better in the future. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:06, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
::that was the rudest reply i ever read! 1st:everybody has grammar problems and i'm brazilian,my english isn't very good mr perfect english.

::2nd:yesterday was my first day here,do you really thing i would know all that i had to do?

::3rd:really?i was replying to your question and instead of thanking me and being polite you do this rude and strict reply?![[User:Pudim|Pudim]] ([[User talk:Pudim|talk]]) 11:17, 20 May 2014 (EDT)Pudim
:::"''that was the rudest reply i ever read! 1st:everybody has grammar problems and i'm brazilian,my english isn't very good mr perfect english.''"

:::It's not just "bad english", you flat out put barely any effort into making your post readable. Certainly a language barrier doesn't prevent you from putting some spacing into your post and using some capitalisation.

:::"''2nd:yesterday was my first day here,do you really thing i would know all that i had to do?''"

:::Which is exactly why I told you what to do with posting so you would know.

:::"''3rd:really?i was replying to your question and instead of thanking me and being polite you do this rude and strict reply?!''"

:::And you replied in the wrong manner with many problems in your post, which I told you how to fix. Being rude != ensuring new users know how to properly respond on talk pages. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:00, 21 May 2014 (EDT)

==Peach's voice?==
So,someone wrote that:"she will be voiced by Samantha Kelly, although audibly through the same voice clips from Super Smash Bros. Brawl" and there's a link to the april 8 smash direct. but Peach didn't even have voice in the april 8 smash direct,so why did somebody say that? [[User:Hue hue|Hue hue]] ([[User talk:Hue hue|talk]]) 18:52, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

== Peach's possible changes in moveset. ==

On September 12, 2013, Peach was confirmed to be in the game. The following quote states: "Pic of the day. Peach joins the battle! We've added 10 pictures of her on the website, but keep in mind that the game is still in development. Her moves may be refreshed by the time the games are released." This confirms that Peach will have a new moveset, and thus possibly why Peach wasn't available in the Smash Bros. demo for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U. Her specials may change so '''Vegetable''' may or may not be replace with a new of different move. We'll just have to wait and see. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 12:49, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
:That was awhile ago, and it didn't confirm. It said "may", he was just pointing out that they're early in development and could easily change all kinds of things, such as Peach's moveset. I think Vegetable was confirmed, anyway. '''[[User:Nutta Butta|...a new Nutta]]'''[[File:Nutta's Mallo sig.png]]'''[[User talk:Nutta Butta|is approaching...]]''' 13:43, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
::It's hard to come up with a custom move for '''Vegetable'''. All I can think of is '''Mega Vegetable''' and '''Mini Vegetable''' but none of that is confirmed so I should stop talking. We should wait and see what will happen. Also there should be a speculation page. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 09:44, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
:::That's what forums are for, I suggest you use SmashBoards. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 09:53, 30 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Nope, I use 3DSPedia.com. I earn these things called Play Coins and I can exchange them for stuff on there like Nintendo eShop codes and other stuff I can't name! Join if you want? [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 10:01, 30 July 2014 (EDT)

==Final Smash==
Peach Blossom is again her final Smash.
[image link removed]
--[[User:Rayodepoder|Rayodepoder]] ([[User talk:Rayodepoder|talk]]) 17:37, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

=="Lack of Glide Tossing"==
This keeps being added to Peach's page as a nerf and it's kind of a problem. There isn't a lack of Glide Tossing in the game as proven [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFwte0QU4M&t=20s&noredirect=1 here] (works for characters with items like Diddy Banana, Peach Turnip etc). People just need to generally avoid saying an AT isn't in the game because noone has discovered it yet. [[User:Aurist|Aurist]] ([[User talk:Aurist|talk]]) 17:51, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

:Greeting, Aurist! [[Glide toss]] and [[Jump cancel throw]] are different techniques in ''Brawl''. They both allow Peach to slide while using her turnips (this is where the confusion comes from) but they are performed differently. Glide toss involves cancelling a roll while Jump cancel throw involves cancelling a dash and jump. Because Glide toss is easier to perform, Jump cancel throw is often wrongly referred to as a Glide toss. The video you linked shows a Jump cancel throw. It doesn't show a Glide toss! "Glide toss" shouldn't be in this video's title. It is no longer possible to cancel a roll in SSB4, meaning Glide toss has been removed. However, it is still possible to cancel a dash and a jump, meaning Jump cancel throw is still in! I hope I was able to clear out all the confusion! Cheers! --[[User:ZeroBlindDragon|ZeroBlindDragon]] ([[User talk:ZeroBlindDragon|talk]]) 19:20, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

::Oh, that's my bad then. I didn't realise they were separate techniques. Thanks for clearing that up :) [[User:Aurist|Aurist]] ([[User talk:Aurist|talk]]) 21:18, 21 September 2014 (EDT)

== Wording of bugfix changes ==

This is my reasoning for keeping the wording as "fixed bug where X" as opposed to "the technique X has been removed".
*It's a little simpler, only needing one sentence per bullet as oposed to two.
*It emphasizes that developer intent is primarily to fix bugs, not remove techniques. All of the given fixes are quite clearly glitches (as opposed to, say, wavedashing), so calling these "fixes" makes more sense than "removals".
Now, if people really want to <s>complain</s> mention how fixing bugs results in removing techniques, we could do something like "fixed bug where X, resulting in removing the Q technique". But I think that's unnecessarily wordy. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Polychromatic 10:56, 19 January 2015 (EST)

==Final Smash Buffs and Nerfs==
Is it safe to assume that my edit was undone because of the conservation on my talk page? If so, I thought that we'd consider more than just competitive folk. [[User:ANИa|ANИa]] ([[User talk:ANИa|talk]]) 22:42, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

==Changes From Brawl Section==
PokemonMasterJamal3 Have you taken the time to read what I wrote?
"Not only is Peach higher on the tier list relative to the cast than she was in Brawl"
This is currently true even though her ranking is only slightly. BUT. With a new tier list coming, her ranking has become debatable. Her own Wiki page supports this:

"her results at top level play are lackluster overall." 

"Peach's results, however, while consistent, have never been as bountiful as other characters ranked above her, and eventually, other characters ranked below her, causing expectations of her to slowly drop. This was further compounded by the worsening of her infinite combo (the "Umeki Rainbow"). Because of this, she dropped on the second tier list at 26th. While she is still in the D tier as a mid-tier character, it is unknown how her tier placement will fare in the long run, due to the scarcity of her results influencing said perception."
These are taken directly from her page and weren't written or influenced by me.

"But there are more relevant top-level Peach players in this game than there were in Brawl (her results support this, too)."
Peach's top level results have been lackluster since the Umeki Rainbow nerf.
 
"I fail to see how she was "nerfed"."
Again, did you read what I wrote?
"Peach has received a mix of buffs and nerfs in the transition from ''Brawl'' to ''SSB4'', but has been overall nerfed despite her direct changes buffing her as a character." According to what I wrote, Peach as a character was buffed. Take Fox for example. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Fox_(SSB4). Fox was nerfed as a character, but he benefits from the new mechanics in Smash 4, making him more viable. Peach is the opposite. Peach has been buffed as a character, but the new mechanic changes (Edge Trumping, Rage, Phantom Footstooling, Untechable Reeling Animation etc.) combined with the direct nerfs Peach got end up making Peach less viable overall.

But what REALLY bothers is me is that rather then keep some of the new details I added (like the buffs Peach received), you just reverted it. Which makes me strongly believe that you didn't really read it to begin with.
[[User:Nightgengale|Nightgengale]] ([[User talk:Nightgengale|talk]]) 21:38, 12 February 2017 (EST)
:"Peach's top level results have been lackluster since the Umeki Rainbow nerf."

:This is untrue. Peach's results have actually been fine even with the nerf you're describing. Samsora has placed Top 8 at a few nationals (namely 2nd at Clutch City Clash, double eliminating Ally, as well as 7th at KTAR XIX) and Top 32 at The Big House 6, and has been performing very well at regionals as well. Kie also ended up placing Top 32 at The Big House 6, taking out players like Rich Brown. Ling Ling placed 13th at Shine 2016, taking out players such as Anti. Furthermore, both Kie and Umeki have placed Top 8 at multiple stacked Japanese tournaments since then, with Umeki notably placing 5th at SGC 2017. I think you would be hard pressed to say that Peach's results were better in Brawl even despite this nerf. Hell, her pre-patch results weren't this good, even.

:"Peach has been buffed as a character, but the new mechanic changes (Edge Trumping, Rage, Phantom Footstooling, Untechable Reeling Animation etc.) combined with the direct nerfs Peach got end up making Peach less viable overall."

:She's not less viable, though. Her results are '''better''' than they ever were in Brawl. This is the exact problem I have with what you wrote.

:"But what REALLY bothers is me is that rather then keep some of the new details I added (like the buffs Peach received), you just reverted it. Which makes me strongly believe that you didn't really read it to begin with."

:I did read everything you wrote, so please don't assume otherwise; I just didn't know exactly how to re-phrase particular parts of it. Yes, I probably shouldn't have removed everything, so I'll apologize for that, but I also wasn't going to let the whole "Peach is less viable" part stand either. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 22:05, 12 February 2017 (EST)

::I appreciate the apology. I'm curious. Do you personally think that the new mechanic changes are overall bad for Peach?[[User:Nightgengale|Nightgengale]] ([[User talk:Nightgengale|talk]]) 22:20, 12 February 2017 (EST)
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