Editing Talk:Palutena (SSB4)

== Link ==
http://www.smashbros.com/us/characters/palutena.html - <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Michaelmarill|Michaelmarill]] ([[User talk:Michaelmarill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michaelmarill|contribs]]) 13:49, June 10, 2014 (CDT)</small>
:I already uploaded those images to the wiki. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 14:50, 10 June 2014 (EDT)

==Final Smash==
In the trailer if you notice closely, she has the final smash aura when using the Black Hole/Mega Laser, but this still remains unconfirmed. - <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Michaelmarill|Michaelmarill]] ([[User talk:Michaelmarill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michaelmarill|contribs]]) 14:46, June 11, 2014‎ (CDT)</small>
:Was going to ask about that as well. I'm sure it's likely, but let's see what the staff thinks. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berrenta|contribs]])  17:01, June 11, 2014‎ (CST)</small>

== In the video... ==

I sure hope that her dash isn't really made official to be faster than Sonic's. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 16:26, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
:Considering we see her standard dash at a different point in the video, it's likely that it's a custom special move, not her actual dash. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 16:49, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
::Smash Master, discussion pages for mainspace articles aren't for voicing your opinions about the games, they're for discussing the content of the article (or lack thereof) in a constructive manner. As for Palutena's speed, it was shown right after she used the Lightweight power, which greatly increases speed at the cost of defense, so she clearly is not normally that fast. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 17:16, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
:::My bad, what I should've said was "is that her true speed while Sonic was dashing?" I typed my statement wrong, but thanks for letting me know. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 21:00, 12 June 2014 (EDT)

== A possible required Cross Wiki link? ==

I'm thinking this needs a link to this page from Icaruspedia: http://www.kidicaruswiki.org/Powers [[Special:Contributions/38.124.7.10|38.124.7.10]] 12:16, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

== Special Moves ==

What should we do when we learn one of Palutena's default specials? Should we just add a special move chart? [[User:Lumastar|<span style="color:green">Lumastar</span>]] ([[User talk:Lumastar|<span style="color:blue>talk]]) [[Image: Lumastar Green Luma.jpg|30px ]]

Quick question: what would happen if Angelic Missile collides with Green Missile/Skull Bash? Would the two specials cancel each other out, or what? [[User:TitaniumX]]

:Good plan. [[Special:Contributions/72.104.147.237|72.104.147.237]] 13:33, 26 June 2014 (EDT)

== Ali Hillis not voicing Palutnea==

According to [https://twitter.com/missalihillis/status/482589658623143936 this twitter post] by Ali, she wasn't available at the time, so her friend Brandy Kopp is voicing Palutena in her place. --[[User:Rad Dudesman|Rad Dudesman]] ([[User talk:Rad Dudesman|talk]]) 16:32, 27 June 2014 (EDT)

== Celestial Firework ==

A notice, you can see Palutena crouching right before using Celestial Firework. This doesn't directly confirm that it's one of her down specials, I just thought it was worth noting. [[Special:Contributions/72.104.147.218|72.104.147.218]] 15:32, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:It's best if we don't note that right away, [[SW:NOT#SmashWiki is not speculative|as it is a bit too speculative]]. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 16:08, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::With this information I would like to note my inferences from what we know of smash in general and informally suggest that, at least until more is confirmed, we show a plausible layout of her specials:
::* Three moves have been shown to give her the ability to ascend, so Rocket Jump, Warp, and Jump Glide are probably her Up-Bs.
::* Three moves have been shown to move her forward quickly, so Super Speed, Angelic Missile, and Lightweight are probably her Side-Bs.
::* Two moves have been shown to resemble common down-Bs, Reflect and Counter, so if Celestial Firework is as well, those are probably them.
::* This leaves Heavenly Light, Explosive Flame, and Autoreticle as her neutral-Bs.
::Of course, as noted, Black Hole and Mega Laser are probably her Final Smash. This is technically speculation, but it has a solid basis in standard smash moves and what we saw of Palutena from her intro video. [[Special:Contributions/124.181.19.202|124.181.19.202]] 04:03, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
:::Should probably take a look at [https://kantopia.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/page282translate.jpg this] and [https://kantopia.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/page283translate.png that]. The Reflect Barrier is, surprisingly, a side special move in this case. Nice logical reasoning though, but the moves have been outright confirmed for their positions. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 04:11, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
::::Narratively ironic that my process of elimination was able to get the right Neutral-Bs though, and only hours before said moves were confirmed. [[Special:Contributions/124.181.19.202|124.181.19.202]] 06:30, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== Another character in Palutena's trailer? ==

I'm not insinuating that there's another newcomer, but [http://youtu.be/xqTW13AYniY?t=2m26s there's a voice at 2:26] that says "Hm! Looks like angels only ''talk'' big!". It's not Palutena's, as it's higher pitched, and it obviously isn't Pit's or Dark Pit's. Is it [[Phosphora]]? <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 13:29, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
:It's [[Viridi]]. Her cameo is already noted in her article. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 13:38, 4 September 2014 (EDT)

== I have to ask you.. ==

is her lightwight form faster than sonic? [[User:Igor The Mii|Igor The Mii]] ([[User talk:Igor The Mii|talk]]) 16:53, 16 September 2014 (EDT)

== So uh ==

What should we do about [http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/09/18/cero-and-palutenas-censorship/ this]? [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 10:28, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
:Uh... okay then. I honestly don't know. Probably trivia. "Palutena's undergarments were censored in the Japanese version." No one will question that, right? <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:Nutta Butta|Nutta.]] </small>  10:55, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
::I figured trivia, but the way you have it seems a bit...vague, in my opinion. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 12:20, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
:I think it could go into the trivia section. You can have things as vague as "Pikachu's tail is mirrored between ''Melee's'' classic mode and its ''SSB4'' Artwork"...(That was added by me into the Pikachu FA page) [[file:INoMed-sig.png]] [[User:INoMed|<span style="color:red">'''''INoMed'''''</span>]] <small> ''([[User talk:INoMed|Talk]])'' </small> 12:26, 21 September 2015 (EDT)
::Including that information in trivia is definitely a must. There's just the question of how we do that. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 12:29, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

Also worth checking: [https://twitter.com/RandomTBush/status/645495283057430528 1] [https://twitter.com/RandomTBush/status/645495610938777600 2] [https://twitter.com/RandomTBush/status/645496097935233024 3] [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 12:48, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

== I can't do this alone. (Notable players) ==

Possibly me and Chliu are the only one that edit on this wiki and use Palu. But there has been recently many tries to save her from what she is according to many people: a candidate for "absolute worst", especially since AeroLink kind of dropped her. So far, there has been a handful of players that have been doing something like Fujin, Capnchreest, {{Sm|D1}} and Prince Ramen. But none of these are notable enough like AeroLink, Iceninja, or TLTC. But now I see that AeroLink was removed by anon, despite him being her most notable player.

As a user, I strongly respect the [[SW:1RV]] policy, but as I've been reverting edits on her page lately on several ocassions (in different sections, though), I am risking myself of violating this policy, IMHO. So I need someone to help me improve this page as much as possible. Someone put notable players on her page only if they emerge: AeroLink is still notable so he desserves to be there, even if he is inactive, but Fujin has been only recently noticed, Chreest only played her notably in Smash Con, Ramen only plays locals IIRC, Nicko only plays Marth, {{Sm|Regi}} uses her pretty much as a secondary, {{Sm|Trevonte}} only played her notably in EVO, and TLTC is debatable because I haven't seen him a lot since customs were banned. 

So for now, I want to refrain from touching her page to undo something or fix problems, lest I get a warning for policy violation. --[[User:BeepYou|BeepYou]] ([[User talk:BeepYou|talk]]) 22:17, 1 December 2015 (EST)
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 ==Final Smash==
-In the trailer if you notice closely, she has the final smash aura when using the Black Hole/Mega Laser, but this still remains unconfirmed. - <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Michaelmarill|Michaelmarill]] ([[User talk:Michaelmarill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michaelmarill|contribs]]) 14:46, June 11, 2014 (CDT)</small>
+In the trailer if you notice closely, she has the final smash aura when using the Black Hole/Mega Laser, but this still remains unconfirmed. - <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Michaelmarill|Michaelmarill]] ([[User talk:Michaelmarill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Michaelmarill|contribs]]) 14:46, June 11, 2014‎ (CDT)</small>
-:Was going to ask about that as well. I'm sure it's likely, but let's see what the staff thinks. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berrenta|contribs]])  17:01, June 11, 2014 (CST)</small>
+:Was going to ask about that as well. I'm sure it's likely, but let's see what the staff thinks. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Berrenta|contribs]])  17:01, June 11, 2014‎ (CST)</small>
 == In the video... ==
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 So for now, I want to refrain from touching her page to undo something or fix problems, lest I get a warning for policy violation. --[[User:BeepYou|BeepYou]] ([[User talk:BeepYou|talk]]) 22:17, 1 December 2015 (EST)
-I do not believe for one second that Palutena is the worst character, she is definitely near the bottom though. And what policies are being violated? Also I put Ryo, but does this list include people who secondary Palutena?[[User:Chliu|Chliu]] ([[User talk:Chliu|talk]]) 16:52, 2 December 2015 (EST)
-:[[SW:1RV|Primarily this one]]. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: red;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:green;">'''The Festive Evil Clone'''</span>]] 17:23, 2 December 2015 (EST)
-:"''Also I put Ryo, but does this list include people who secondary Palutena?''"
-:The notable players sections are supposed to be a quick list showing readers who historically important players for the character are. Unless the player did some really significant things with them (like Armada with Young Link in Melee), or are otherwise notorious for how well they can play the character despite lack of serious use in tournaments (like Mew2king with Mewtwo in Melee or Ally with Captain Falcon in Brawl), it is usually not acceptable to put a big name player who "seconds" the character into these lists. Even with lower-tier characters who have lower standards for these sections, these sections shouldn't be filled up with such players.
-:As for Ryo with Palutena, I'm not knowledgeable enough about Palutena's Smash 4 usage and playerbase to make a call either way, so I'll leave that up for others to decide as of now. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:41, 2 December 2015 (EST)
-:Chliu knows what he says. Ryo did main Palu (though [[Lucina (SSB4)|Lucy]] would take her place) and still usually uses her in tournaments streamed by MVG.
-:Also, this is for Chliu: TLTC and Iceninja do main her, its just AeroLink who left her as a secondary. --[[User:BeepYou|BeepYou]] ([[User talk:BeepYou|talk]]) 00:39, 3 December 2015 (EST)
-I don't actually main Palutena, I second her. If there are customs allowed I will definitely use her though because most don't know to deal with her movement. Also, I didn't do anything with TLTC and Iceninja [[User:Chliu|Chliu]] ([[User talk:Chliu|talk]]) 17:19, 3 December 2015 (EST)
-== Ryo? And editing an article about something you don't know much about ==
-So it I've noticed people who don't use a certain character like to edit their articles. Imo this isn't completely right. People who are knowledgeable about a certain character should have priority over admins/editors. If it is biased then yes but many are not. For example, if someone writes additional details in an attribute section of a low tier it is immediately removed. With Ryo, Beepyou also agreed with me, so I don't understand why it was removed. [[User:Chliu|Chliu]] ([[User talk:Chliu|talk]]) 18:31, 7 December 2015 (EST)
-:Ryo mainly stems from the fact that if you've noticed, character articles don't really have any Smashers listed that secondary them. I plea that someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they only get added if they main said character, not secondary them. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 18:36, 7 December 2015 (EST)
-I have seen articles where people who secondaried or even just used the character once were listed [[User:Chliu|Chliu]] ([[User talk:Chliu|talk]]) 18:49, 7 December 2015 (EST)
-== Wall of text ==
-I read the cleanup tag everytime I enter the page, so I'll possibly clean up the article a bit later. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 19:19, 14 February 2016 (EST)
-== PrinceRamen ==
-I think hes notable now because he is first in central florida and he is ahead of players such as poltergust, wizzrobe and riot. [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the Pumpkin Pie 15:08, 23 February 2016 (EST)
-:Hmm. Do you have a link to the power rankings to demonstrate it? If so, then we should also include it on the [[Florida Power Rankings]] page. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 15:24, 23 February 2016 (EST)
-:: http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-4-power-rankings-directory-project.401710/ here and scroll down to central florida [[File:PoultrysigSSB4.png|20x50px]][[User:Poultry|<font color="red">'''Poultry'''</font>]][[File:PoultrysigSSBM.png|20x50px]]''([[User talk:Poultry#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the Pumpkin Pie 15:29, 23 February 2016 (EST)
-As of June 24, 2016, Prince Ramen has 2-0'd ZeRo with Palutena. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:AToS|AToS]] ([[User talk:AToS|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AToS|contribs]]) 10:47, June 24, 2016</small>
-:First, sign your comments. Please.
-:Second, many of us saw, and that is good enough for her page. I'll see what I write later on her page to highlight such accomplishment. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]], '''a user with no grammar at all :v''' [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 21:35, 24 June 2016 (EDT)
-==Goddess Wings==
-I remembered seeing this but, I was doing a 2 minute regular Smash playing as Palutena, and used her forward smash, and heard her say something. Usually she will just grunt, but I spammed it enough, and sometimes she will actually say Goddess Wings, although very quickly. Anyone can feel free to test this, and it will prove that I am right.
-:I can attest to this. Although it is kinda uncommon and quiet, she can say "Goddess Wings" during one of her Smash attacks. Here's a video where she says it. https://youtu.be/AGk0Cyl3egw?t=22s [[User:WolfBloodSpam|WolfBloodSpam]] ([[User talk:WolfBloodSpam|talk]]) 18:08, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
-::Thank you. I had no video proof.[[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 18:33, 13 August 2018 (EDT)Blueflame105
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