Editing Talk:Official Custom Moveset Project

Wouldn't it be simpler just to do something like:
{| class="wikitable"
!Character
!colspan="5"|Custom sets available
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|rowspan="2"|{{head|Mario|g=SSB4|s=24px}} {{SSB4|Mario}} || 2312 || 2332 || 2212 || 2232 || 1312
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| 1313 || 1332 || 1212 || 1213 || 2213
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Seems more streamlined and easy to read to me. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:11, 1 May 2015 (EDT)
:I was actually considering that, but I also wanted to include a key to the custom moves. It will definitely save enough time to make the loss worth it. Live and learn, as the song goes. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 21:15, 1 May 2015 (EDT)
::Well, I was assuming by doing it this way you'd be able to click through to the [[Mario (SSB4)]] page which has his customs in his moveset table. Not sure if there's a better way to streamline it in there without turning it into a hard-to-read mess. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:20, 1 May 2015 (EDT)
:::Huh, I didn't think of that. It works that way, really. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 21:35, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

== Is there a list anywhere of tournaments besides EVO that used this? ==

I'm curious as to how successful this has been at creating a widespread standardized system for implementing customs in a tournament setting.[[Special:Contributions/72.104.215.193|72.104.215.193]] 23:47, 18 November 2015 (EST)

==Just a though...==
You are still alowwed to use the standard 1111 combination right? [[Special:Contributions/106.69.251.56|106.69.251.56]] 07:49, 24 November 2015 (EST)
:Yeah! Definitely. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 08:22, 24 November 2015 (EST)
::More like, how could you ban the default set? That would be awkward. [[User:Jarie Suicune|Jarie Suicune]] ([[User talk:Jarie Suicune|talk]]) 12:46, 30 January 2016 (EST)

==Grudge against the biggest attack?==
I know you can't always make everyone happy, but what's up with Palutena having no use of either Heavenly Light or Counter? Granted, I've not gotten to fight anyone who uses Palutena more than rarely, but I quite enjoy the use of Heavenly Light. I've never found good use for Autoreticle (almost always useless, too much delay before firing and just misses) and Explosive Flame's set distance makes it harder to use, though I have found it great for anti-recovery from a safe spot (which Heavenly Light isn't bad at either, thanks to it's push effect). [[User:Jarie Suicune|Jarie Suicune]] ([[User talk:Jarie Suicune|talk]]) 12:46, 30 January 2016 (EST)

== Detailed list ==

Is this really needed? It bloats the page intensely, and the last time we discussed something like it on this page, it was decided against. Plus, it really also only shows the custom moves of each character compared to the compact list. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 13:01, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:'''Slight support for deletion.''' It does try to explain in a detailed way each character's customs, but it also makes the page way too heavy. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou'''</font>]] [[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 14:24, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:It makes sense to show which move each number corresponds to. But you really only need the names for that, and even then it would be clunky. Pictures and descriptions for every move is clearly excessive. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 16:16, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
::We could do a rollover over the numbers to show the names of the custom moves (first instance only), but I think even that will bloat the page a bit too much. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 00:27, 22 September 2016 (EDT)

Agreed, Nyargle. It's just bloat, when the condensed table format with the numbers is sufficient. Readers can click through to "Character (SSB4)" pages to see the customs if the numbers aren't enough. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:56, 21 September 2016 (EDT)

The table is bad, bad, bad. The numbers do a plain poor job of showing custom moveset recommendations at a glance (nobody's gonna memorize what number means what and it's annoying enough to click around those pages), but this table sucks. At narrow resolutions, it would stretch the page horizontally, which is not acceptable for presentation. It also shows the important information scrunched at the very right edge, which is really sloppy. It would be better to just shrink the images / use a small version and replace those numbers with those images. If images don't work that well, roll-overs work very well. Otherwise, get rid of the table. [[File:GreenMarioBrawlHead.png|15px]] [[User:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#32CD32">Green</span>]] [[User talk:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#FFA500">Mario</span>]] 21:30, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

Yeah...I don't like the table one bit. I agree with Nyargle. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 22:30, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
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	Yeah...I don't like the table one bit. I agree with Nyargle. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King\|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png\|16px\|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King\|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 22:30, 23 September 2016 (EDT)		Yeah...I don't like the table one bit. I agree with Nyargle. <span style="font-family:Chiller;font-size:18px;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #222">[[User:Serpent King\|<span style="color:#d50">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSigHalloween.png\|16px\|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King\|<span style="color:#d50">King</span>]]</span> 22:30, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

	'''Support deletion''' for detailed list. It bloats the page, doesn't come up properly, cannot be hidden once open, is hard to read and is unnecessary anyway. <b>[[User:john3637881\|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png\|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881\|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 14:02, 7 January 2017 (EST)
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