Editing Talk:Nipple spike

==Deletion==
'''Oppose Deletion''' - '''[[User:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:black;">Kperfekt</span>]]''' [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<span style="color:red;"><sup>Talk Is Cheap...</sup></span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<span style="color:purple;"><sup>But I Am Not.</sup></span>]] 15:59, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
:Give an actual reason as to why the article shouldn't be deleted instead of just saying "oppose deletion". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:12, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
'''Strong Oppose''' - This is a unique property of Falcon's hitboxes, and while it has not seen widespread implementation it's generated enough discussion and relevance to be given it's own article.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:02, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
:What? Marth's dair also needs to be sweetspotted to spike, but it doesn't have an article. It could easily be merged with Falcon's SSBM page. <choose><option><span style="color:red;">[[User:Mr. Anon|Mr.]]</span> <span style="color:green;">[[User talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</span> <span style="color:blue;">[[Special:Contributions/Mr. Anon|teh awsome]]</span></option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Sir]] [[User Talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]] [[Special: Contributions/Mr. Anon| the great]]</option></choose> 23:40, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
::First, it doesn't have it's own name, nor has it created discussion to the point of creating notability as you never intend ''not'' to sweet spot it.  Two, it could be merged, but then it would require a sub-sub-subsection, and I would rather avoid a redirect linking to that low of a section.  We're after accessibility of information and redirect and create that low of a section for a rather commonly discussed term/technique is not helping that goal.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 03:07, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose''' While this is not the only spike hitbox in the game, it has generated more discussion than any other specific hitbox in ''Melee'' (to my knowledge) and has become notable enough as to earn its own nickname. [[The Knee]] has an article because of its notability and similar to The Knee article, the information here would be more suitable in its own article instead of being on Captain Falcon's SSBM page. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 03:23, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
:"[[The Knee]] has an article because of its notability and similar to The Knee article". what? The knee article IS the knee article.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 03:27, August 3, 2010 (UTC) 
::Um, did you not read the rest of the sentence afterward? I am saying that this article is similar to the Knee Smash article as the information would be more suitable in its own article instead of being on Captain Falcon's SSBM page. Read the entire sentence properly before trying to misconstrue what I said. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 10:58, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
'''Oppose'''- Unique property, notable, and everything OT said.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 03:27, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
:::I vote to keep this because it's a good discovery for a good move choice, like the Ken Combo. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 13:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
This article should be kept.  As previously stated, the move has generated enough discussion to warrant its own article.  Techniques like this, such as [[The Knee]], do need their own article because someone searching for the move itself will more than likely go straight for the move, and not the character who uses it. [[User:Ederek-Cole|Ederek-Cole]] ([[User talk:Ederek-Cole|talk]]) 23:56, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

==Deletion: The Sequel==
To preface this, I understand that we have previously voted to save this same page from deletion as seen above, but that was six years ago. Since then, as clearly stated in the article itself, I don't believe this property, in the one game it's appeared, has seen the use that warrants an entire page dedicated to it. All the SmashBoards discussions cited are from time far gone, and given the minuscule impact it's actually made, I'd say we should come back to this page and delete it for real this time, maybe relocate a truncated description of this property to the relevant moveset table on the {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}} page. [[File:Nymbaresigicon.png]] [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF"><font face="Candida">Nymbare</font></span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#0066FF">and his talk</span>]] 14:45, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
:Highly duplicative of [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down aerial]]. Implies a separate page just for one of the hitboxes isn't very useful. Merging this to the /Down aerial page, and leaving a redirect here, sounds like a good idea. [[User:Rigel Kent|<ruby lang="ja">ライケン<rp>&nbsp;</rp><rt lang="en">Rigel Kent</rt></ruby>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Rigel Kent|talk]]) 00:33, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
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 To preface this, I understand that we have previously voted to save this same page from deletion as seen above, but that was six years ago. Since then, as clearly stated in the article itself, I don't believe this property, in the one game it's appeared, has seen the use that warrants an entire page dedicated to it. All the SmashBoards discussions cited are from time far gone, and given the minuscule impact it's actually made, I'd say we should come back to this page and delete it for real this time, maybe relocate a truncated description of this property to the relevant moveset table on the {{SSBM|Captain Falcon}} page. [[File:Nymbaresigicon.png]] [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF"><font face="Candida">Nymbare</font></span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#0066FF">and his talk</span>]] 14:45, 24 July 2016 (EDT)
 :Highly duplicative of [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down aerial]]. Implies a separate page just for one of the hitboxes isn't very useful. Merging this to the /Down aerial page, and leaving a redirect here, sounds like a good idea. [[User:Rigel Kent|<ruby lang="ja">ライケン<rp>&nbsp;</rp><rt lang="en">Rigel Kent</rt></ruby>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Rigel Kent|talk]]) 00:33, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
-'''Oppose''' Just because you don't believe this property doesn't mean it is warranted a deletion. While this made a little impact, it still generated enough discussion to warrant its own article. There were still some comments about landing Nipple Spike. Very situational, but doable. I searched it up by Google & smashboard; it still it has some decent results (this could be the similar case for [[Space Animal Slayer]]). Not sure for merging though. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540|talk]]) 03:34, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
-'''Merge''' with [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down aerial|Captain Falcon's down aerial moveset page]]. When deletion was first brought up, moveset subpages were not around, but nowadays, they are. That page seems like a perfect place to store this information. Actually, after thinking about it, the information already on that page makes this page a little redundant. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 10:49, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
-:My input doesn't count for much but as per John's argument I am now definitely more in favor of '''merging''' this article with the one about Falcon's down air. I actually forgot about those pages until now. Sorry about that. [[File:Nymbaresigicon.png]] [[User:Nymbare|<span style="color:#00BFFF"><font face="Candida">Nymbare</font></span>]] [[User talk:Nymbare|<span style="color:#0066FF">and his talk</span>]] 11:09, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
-Yep, '''merge''' with his Melee dair page, especially since this property is unique to the Melee version of the move. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:21, 25 July 2016 (EDT)
-Don't Delete, but '''Merge''' It's better to merge than to delete. [[File:AlbumArt-Dixie.png|20px]]  [[User:TabuuandMasterCore|TabuuandMasterCore]] 13:58, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
-'''Decidedly neutral''' One one end, I think the trick is a notable one and should be covered, but on the other, a redir to [[Captain Falcon (SSBM)/Down aerial]] will work just as well. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:09, 26 July 2016 (EDT)
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