Editing Talk:Neutral special move

==Special Pictures==
I think we should use more pictures of Special Moves from Smabura-Ken.com. They are pure and good screenshots, but i dont know how to upload images. Someone else mus take up the fight. Any volunteers? --[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST) 

==Merge==

[[B button]] - Merge? -- <font color="000023">'''[[User:Randall00|RJM]]'''</font> <sup>''[[User talk:Randall00|Talk]]''</sup> 14:13, October 28, 2007 (EDT)
:Basically, no. --[[User:Oxico|Oxico]] 14:15, December 12, 2007 (EST)

==Reverse Special==
Does this work in [[SSB]] as well? -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 00:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know, because I don't own SSB. But about the Reverse Neutral B, I agree that it should be posted on the Standard Special Move page. And I think most characters who can perform a Reverse Neutral B, also can perform one on the ground instead of the air. User:VideoGameBoy|Zixor ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 10:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC+2)
::Ganondorf can do a reverse Warlock Punch in both air and ground. [[User:Firewario|Firewario]] ([[User talk:Firewario|talk]]) 08:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I know, Firewario. Thats what I mean. That characters like Ganondorf also can do a Reverse Neutral B in air as well as on the ground. User:VideoGameBoy|Videogameboy [[User:VideoGameBoy|VideoGameBoy]] ([[User talk:VideoGameBoy|talk]]) 09:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Although I'm not going to bother fixing the page, as it is up for deletion and most of the information is on the Standard Special page, I do want to point out that Kirby can in fact reverse his Inhale in the air, it just takes a massive amount of practice. [[User:Meta-K|Meta-Kirb]] ([[User talk:Meta-K|talk]]) 13:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::@Meta-K: If the page needs editing, ''edit it''. Even if it's up for deletion, you can improve it - maybe then it won't need deleting.
:::::@VideoGameBoy: Please sign your comments by placing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of each comment you make. Please do not put your signature at the start of your comments.
:::::@Zixor: Yes, the Reverse Neutral B was brought in from the start. Every character can do it, both on the ground and in the air, by pressing the opposite direction that the character's facing then pressing B (as you'd perform a Side Special in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''). If performed in the air, it has the advantage that it turns you around, which isn't otherwise possible except through the use of PK Thunder 2, or the like. If performed on the ground, it has the advantage that you turn around and do your Neutral B move, but without any turning lag. If there was a Neutral B move that had very little lag when used on the ground (or if you used a hack to remove all lag), you could dash dance with it by reversing it after every use. Donkey Kong could reverse the direction not only of the charged Giant Punch but also of the initial charging period. Most notably, Jigglypuff could reverse its Pound, which was excellent for recovery as it could edgeguard as much as it liked as long as it stayed above the level of the main platform, and it could then get back to the ledge safely without worrying about having to face the stage to grab on. In short, yes, it works in SSB as well. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 14:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

==Signature move==
To end this edit war right now, I'll list the neutral B's that are signature moves
*Mario's
*Luigi's
*Bowser's
*Kirby's
*Dedede's
*Fox's
*Falco's
*Wolf's
*Ness' (only move that he actually uses in EB)
*Sonic's
*Link's
*Toon Link's
*Young Link's
*Mewtwo's
*Pikachu's (In the anime)
*Pichu's
*Snake's
*Captain Falcon's
*Samus'
*Zamus'
*Yoshi's
*DK's
*Diddy's
*Roy's
*Dr. Mario's
*Charizard's
*Squirtle's
*Lucario's
*ROB's
[[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:46, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
:Many of these are debatable, and this is hardly a majority. -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 19:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Zixor, seeing as he posted this almost exactly a month ago, during which time no one replied, including you, it was a majority of one. Personally, I think it should stay as it is, as many Standard Special Moves aren't that character's signature move. Also, only about half of the characters in the series are in the list above, so the use of the word "most" is either misleading or just plain wrong. '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 20:20, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
:::Added some more. And I counted. This is definetly the majority of characters. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 02:14, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
::::Okay, here we go; I'm not even touching your unnecessary attitude, Penguin.
::::Firstly, what designates a move as "signature"? My research shows that it is not limited to one move alone. To that end, virtually ALL special moves could be considered signature. As such, for the argument against standard special moves being the '''most''' analogous with that character, these are NOT:
::::*DK- Not most known for his punching; with the possible exception of Baseball and Jungle Beat Boss fights.
:::::As you just said two games where he is known for his punching, this statement is hypocritical.
::::*Diddy- cartwheel (running attack)
:::::No, he's more known for his peanuts
::::*Mario- super jump (up B)
::::*Luigi- super jump (up B)
:::::Super jump punch isn't even an attack in the mario games.
::::*Sonic - spin dash (down B)
:::::Homing attack is much more well known
::::*ROB - Never fires a lazer beam. His taunt showcases his most basic function, moving it's arms up and down.
:::::He doesn't even appear in his own games. However, in SSE, he uses it a lot.
::::*Snake- probably best known for stealth, and guns, which were chosen not to be included in the game.
:::::Stealth is not a move.
::::*Mewtwo - psychic
:::::"Psychic" is not a move.
::::*Dedede - super DeDeDe Jump (up B)
:::::No. What was famous about him was the fact that he is able to use kirby's inhale.
::::*Ness -PK thunder, bat, or yo-yo.
:::::PK thunder is a move he doesn't even use in his game. PK flash is.
::::*Pichu - based on a trading card? I think not.
:::::In the anime, which is just as popular, if not more, than the games, he uses it.
::::*Fox
::::*Falco
::::*Wolf
::::-Do any of these characters ever use their blasters? Their SHIPS have LAZERS, which are not the same. In actuality, their Final Smashes are probably their most recognizable moves.
:::::No. The space animals are very famous for their blasters.
::::*Link
::::*Toon Link
::::*Young Link
::::-All Links are perhaps most known for their circular slash (up B), but definitely not arrows.
:::::They are not famous for their spin attacks. In the original LoZ, there wasn't even a spin attack. However, there were arrows and boomerangs.
::::--Never played Fire Emblem, so can't say about *Roy.
::::{{unsigned|Zixor|17:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)}}
:::::urbad. also learn to sign your comments. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 21:53, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

:::::Zixor: Um, what attitude...? My comment was entirely supportive of your side of the argument, aside from the first sentence, in which I demonstrated that something you had claimed to be the case was in fact obviously false.
:::::IP: A simple majority is not enough. It would need to be true in the ''vast'' majority of cases (i.e. with very few exceptions) for it to be worthy of mention in the article.
:::::'''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 21:59, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
::::I apologize, PoD. It seems I was still a bit peeved about your comment in our other conversation. I have a little problem witt assuming good faith, and I'm a bit too defensive. -Something to work on. -[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 14:36, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
:::::I relplied to each of Zixor's comments above. [[Special:Contributions/98.117.158.220|98.117.158.220]] 03:42, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

If I may, what the expletive is a signature move and why do I care? Furthermore, why do they need to be discussed here? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 04:00, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
:I think originally that there was an edit war about whether "most" characters have their most-well-recognized move as their neutral special, as opposed to another special. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 04:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
::Since "most-well-recognized" is inherently subjective, we can't make any generalized statements. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:35, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
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 :::::They are not famous for their spin attacks. In the original LoZ, there wasn't even a spin attack. However, there were arrows and boomerangs.
 ::::--Never played Fire Emblem, so can't say about *Roy.
-::::<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zixor|contribs]]) 17:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</small>
+::::{{unsigned|Zixor|17:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)}}
 :::::urbad. also learn to sign your comments. <span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadowcrest</span>]]</span> 21:53, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
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 :I think originally that there was an edit war about whether "most" characters have their most-well-recognized move as their neutral special, as opposed to another special. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 04:06, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 ::Since "most-well-recognized" is inherently subjective, we can't make any generalized statements. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:35, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
-==List?==
-Why is there a list of all neutral specials, instead of only the reversable ones? '''[[User:25timmy16|<font color="aqua">25T16</font>]]''' [[File:DrMarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] '''[[User talk:25timmy16|''<span style="color:crimson;">It's-a me!</span>'']]''' 21:07, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
-:This is the article about neutral specials, therefore we provide a list of each neutral special in the Smash series. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:39, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
-== Kirby ==
-I's it okay if I write a part about Kirby having the ability to use other neutrals? [[User:King KirbyD|<font color="Gold">'''King'''</font>]] [[User talk:King KirbyD|<font color="Pink">'''Kirby'''</font>'''D''']] [[File:KingKirbyD.png|19px|link=Special:Contributions/King KirbyD]]  20:08, 14 April 2012 (EDT)
-== Mii Brawler ==
-I realize that SmashWiki shouldn't have speculation, so I am asking here first. [[Shot Put]] has been revealed as one of the [[Mii Brawler]]'s neutral specials. While not specifically revealed as its default, it was called "Standard Special 1" by Sakurai. Should we list it here or wait for that to be 100% revealed? [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 22:06, 3 August 2014 (EDT)
-:Actually, while we're at it, for the Miis and Palutena, when their three neutral specials are revealed, would we list all three, or the default? [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 10:14, 6 August 2014 (EDT)
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