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| Im confused; Ness used to be high on the tier list in Melee and to me it seems he's been greatly improved, but he's in the E tier. Could someone please explain this to me? [[User:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Orange;">PK</span>]] [[User talk:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Red;">FIYAH</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Yellow;">[[Special:Contributions/highwaypumpy|Highwaydawg</span></sup>]] 16:03, February 10, 2010 (UTC) | | Im confused; Ness used to be high on the tier list in Melee and to me it seems he's been greatly improved, but he's in the E tier. Could someone please explain this to me? [[User:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Orange;">PK</span>]] [[User talk:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Red;">FIYAH</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Yellow;">[[Special:Contributions/highwaypumpy|Highwaydawg</span></sup>]] 16:03, February 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| :I believe the primary reason is his strangely long grab release animation (leading to tons of chain grabs and grab release combos). Combined with how much easier Brawl's reduced gravity makes it to safely intercept PK Thunder, and the lack of a double jump cancel, things just didn't go well for him. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 16:35, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| Okay that makes sense thanks[[User:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Orange;">PK</span>]] [[User talk:Highwaypumpy|<span style="color:Red;">FIYAH</span>]] <sup><span style="color:Yellow;">[[Special:Contributions/highwaypumpy|Highwaypumpy</span></sup>]] 20:58, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I've actually always found Ness in SSBB much worse than in Melee. [[User:YoshiKong|YoshiKong]] ([[User talk:YoshiKong|talk]]) 17:24, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
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| ::Literally a six year old thread. Move on.
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| ::--- <font face="Pristina"><font size="3">''[[User:Monsieur Crow|Monsieur]] [[User_talk:Monsieur Crow|Crow]], Author Extraordinaire''</font></font>, 17:39, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
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| Now 9 years [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 12:38, 22 February 2019 (EST)
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| == Why is Ness higher than Lucas on the Tier List? ==
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| Lucas has better up and down smashes, better recovery, PSI Magnet does damage.... although PK freeze isn't that better than PK flash... is it because of the lag of lucas' smashes? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:114.245.221.163|114.245.221.163]] ([[User talk:114.245.221.163|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/114.245.221.163|contribs]]) 01:33 July 24, 2010 (UTC)</small>
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| :Firstly, sign your comments with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Secondly, this is not proper use of talk pages as they are not the place to discuss a character's tier position, their matchups, or anything else similar to that subject. For a forum discussing a subject similar to your question, go [[Forum:Who's stronger in Brawl, Ness or Lucas?|here]]. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 02:19, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
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