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| ::::Normally, I would agree with you that a costume is different from a cameo. But with the way Mario Maker handles it when compared to other games, I was thinking we should make an exception for cases like that. Mii costumes are just that: the hair and the clothes. Mario Maker costumes are a full sprite that bears no resemblance to Mario appearance-wise. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 02:31, June 28, 2019 (EDT) | | ::::Normally, I would agree with you that a costume is different from a cameo. But with the way Mario Maker handles it when compared to other games, I was thinking we should make an exception for cases like that. Mii costumes are just that: the hair and the clothes. Mario Maker costumes are a full sprite that bears no resemblance to Mario appearance-wise. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 02:31, June 28, 2019 (EDT) |
| I'm convinced that Ness's "Mother 3 cameo" is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIpjyyW_JA this] as opposed to the Zombie Man similarity. [[Jeff]] also has his last appearance listed as Mother 3 for presumably the same reason. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 02:40, June 28, 2019 (EDT) | | I'm convinced that Ness's "Mother 3 cameo" is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIpjyyW_JA this] as opposed to the Zombie Man similarity. [[Jeff]] also has his last appearance listed as Mother 3 for presumably the same reason. [[File:NokiiSig.png|link=User_talk:Nokii]] '''[[User:Nokii|{{color|#89d|Nokii}}]]''' — 02:40, June 28, 2019 (EDT) |
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| (edit conflict, @Lou Cena) Okay, here's a different example: in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, each character (barring Magneto) has an alternate DLC costume that changes their appearance entirely, much more drastically than one of their recolors. Multiple characters have costumes that make them other characters - Ghost Rider's is 2099 Ghost Rider, Shuma-Gorath's is Quoggoth, Akuma's is Cyber-Akuma, Zero's is Mega Man X - but they're just ''costumes'', not the actual character themselves. It's the same deal as Super Mario Maker, albeit to a lesser extent since the original character is used as a basis (and the Costume Mario costumes don't use anything from Mario other than his sprite size), but it is still the same deal, since it's an appearance change that is meant to be a ''costume'' of the character rather than the character themselves. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 02:49, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :A cameo is a cameo. The ''Mario Maker'' “costumes” are suppose to be the said character. Even if they weren’t, it’s still a cameo. Even if it was just a remote picture in a level, it would still count. I don’t know what the zombie stuff is, but I do know the ''Earthbound'' cast cameoed in the movie theater in ''Mother 3'', which counts as a cameo. A cameo just needs the characters’ appearance to count (face specifically), like Peach and Mario’s pictures in ''Zelda''. Actual costumes, like in ''Bayonetta'', are more of a reference as it’s not the character themselves. The Lloyd, Chocobo, and Lip costumes in ''Smash'' are references, the ones in ''Mario Maker'' are cameos. [[Special:Contributions/47.199.39.81|47.199.39.81]] 02:50, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::Thank you. That’s what I was trying to say. I just didn’t know how to properly explain it. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 03:33, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::Except it is still Mario. If Mario is hit by an enemy, the costume falls off. It's still just clothes that resemble the character. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 09:34, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::That may be true, but that is still a full-on cameo from the characters in the costumes. Like I and that IP said, the costumes in Mario Maker use a full sprite with no resemblance to Mario, complete with sound effects, even if it is a costume gameplay-wise. The mii costumes are still clearly miis. The Mario Maker costumes are more like cameos pasted onto a costume than actual costumes. It’s like saying that Sonic’s cameo in Rad Mobile isn’t a thing because he was a part of the car you were driving. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 13:55, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| We've been over this repeatedly. A character appearing in an in-universe capacity like a movie screen counts as a cameo appearance. A different character wearing a costume based on them does not. This is a long-established standard on this wiki and there's zero basis for changing it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:03, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :As I stated repeatedly, the Super Mario Maker costumes are more than “just based on the character”. It’s a full sprite with sound effects, rather than simply a costume like the Mii ones. I agree that costumes shouldn’t count in most cases (I’m not debating on changing that rule), but the way Super Mario Maker handles them is moreso a cameo than anything else. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 14:10, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::It's literally called {{s|mariowiki|Costume Mario}}. There's not really any ambiguity or room for debate on this one. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:18, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::Per this. It's literally just Mario in a costume, and not a cameo. I really don't know any better way to explain it to you. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 14:21, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::::Reiterating my point, a costume, regardless of how much it resembles the character, is a costume. Frank West and Zero both have Mega Man X as their DLC costumes in UMvC3, and while Frank's is more of a "costume" than Zero's (since he can dress up as X in Dead Rising, while Zero takes on X's full appearance), both are still costumes. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:36, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::::I would think this is different considering the point of the costumes and how they're handled in the game, allowing him to "transform" into the said characters. Personally? I ''would'' count it. But I guess the "transformation" is not what everyone is getting at. [[User:Wolff| Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 14:45, June 28, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Sprite image in origin section ==
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| I added the American clay model to be consistant with other character pages that had another image in the origin section based on their original appearence, but since his American clay model design was never used in Smash I see why it was unneeded. But how would his sprite be since his smash design uses the original clay model design, which is based on his sprite?<span style="font-family: Algerian; font-size:12pt"> '''[[User: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Supa </span>]] [[User talk: supatoad64|<span style="color:dodgerblue;"> Toad 64 </span>]]''' </span> [[ Image: MK64ToadCSP.jpg|20px ]] 09:25, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Problems editing trivia sections ==
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| Hello. I am trying to rewrite one of the bullet points in the trivia section. Specifically, I was trying to replace this bullet point:
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| "The "PK" prefix in most of Ness's (as well as Lucas's) special moves originates from EarthBound Beginnings, where it is used to denote PSI moves that directly inflict damage on an enemy (thus, PSI Magnet is excluded due to being unable to do so, barring customization). All instances of "PK" were changed to "PSI" in EarthBound for unknown reasons."
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| I had written up text that aimed to better clarify the point, and provide a bit more context about where PK is used in the Earthbound/Mother series (for instance it's not quite the case that it's used for PSI moves that inflict damage, since PK Flash did not do that in the main series). However, when I tried to save this edit, I get an error with the code "Smashing". I also get automatically logged out. Furthermore, when trying to post the text I had drafted here, it causes the same issue. Is there a problem with the text I am trying to add in that is triggering some kind of filter? [[User:Perathian|Perathian]] ([[User talk:Perathian|talk]]) 23:14, November 28, 2023 (EST)
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