Editing Talk:Mercenaries of the Dark Hunter

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No. Just no. This is completely a discrimination of rights. It's been stated numerous times that SBF and SW are not to be linked in events like bans, by mods. The same logic should be applied to alliances. You may as well ban talking about Brawl and get sued for discrimination of rights.{{unsigned|Biggie smalls}}

This crew has done nothing worthy of deletion. It has not once flamed other threads, spammed inconsistently, and has given good arguments and has and it shouldn't be stripped of its wiki page.{{unsigned|ismaR}}

This is a great wiki page.  I don't see how deleting it will do any good.  It's supporting Dark Samus for Brawl and telling us more about him.{{unsigned|KraidGuy}}

:''No. Just no. This is completely a discrimination of rights.''

:"Rights?"  If you want to get technical, you have no rights here - this is a privately-owned website.  The admins could ban you simply because they don't like your username and you'd have no legal ground to successfully sue them on.  The judge would most likely laugh and throw your case out in a split-second.

:''It's been stated numerous times that SBF and SW are not to be linked in events like bans, by mods.''

:Whichever moderator(s) said that are completely and totally incorrect, as an admin has stated [[SmashWiki:Pool_Room#SWF_bannings|otherwise]].

:''The same logic should be applied to alliances. You may as well ban talking about Brawl and get sued for discrimination of rights.{{unsigned|Biggie smalls}}''

:First of all, any lawsuit brought against the site would invariably fail as this is a privately-owned website.  You have no "free speech" rights here - the first amendment doesn't apply.  Regardless, forum alliances are '''''not''''' crews: this has been discussed several times and we've come to the consensus that forum alliances should '''NOT''' have entries here.  See Talk:The Rape Staff, Talk:M.M.P.M.A., Talk:Mog squad, Talk:The ♥♪!? Alliance, and Talk:S.S.S.

:''This crew has done nothing worthy of deletion. It has not once flamed other threads, spammed inconsistently, and has given good arguments and has and it shouldn't be stripped of its wiki page.{{unsigned|ismaR}}''

:You're making the assumption that an article deletion is a form of punishment; generally, it's a method of removing inappropriate articles, particularly those that aren't quite up to par with SmashWiki standards.  Being a good group of users doesn't award you the right to a Wiki entry if you aren't an actual crew.  If this article is deleted, it's nothing personal (speaking strictly for myself, though I'd imagine the same would apply to whomever may delete this); it just makes no sense for this article to remain when other forum alliance articles have been deleted.

:''This is a great wiki page.  I don't see how deleting it will do any good.  It's supporting Dark Samus for Brawl and telling us more about him.{{unsigned|KraidGuy}}''

:Not to be rude, but that really doesn't matter.  Supporting a character does not suddenly make you deserving of a Wiki entry.  The moment you guys actually act as a real crew (and start playing in tournaments representing this group), ''then'' you can have an article; at the moment, however, there's no reason at all for you all to have one.  And when you consider that several other alliances articles have already been deleted for the same reason I flagged this one, it becomes a matter of applying the rules consistently and equally to everyone.  To allow this page to stay when the others were deleted would be completely unfair to the members of those other alliances.  &ndash; [[User:EPX2|<b><i>EP</i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:EPX2|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/EPX2|Edits]])</small> 21:37, December 17, 2007 (EST)

THIS? '''AGAIN?''' Why is there so many character support pages? As EP mentions above, this is not needed. I wish i was a sysop so i could delete this page.--<span class="nounderlinelink">&ndash; '''[[User:Janitor|<span title="WHY HELLO THAR.">Janitor</span>]]''' <small>(''' [[User talk:Janitor|<span title="Talk to me.">Talk</span>]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Janitor|<span title="Erase myself and let go of WHAT I'VE DONE">Contribs</span>]]''')</small></span><span style="font family:Arial Narrow"></span style> 20:21, December 18, 2007 (EST)

Who the hell said we aren't going to Brawl Tourneys? Maybe we will, maybe we won't. You should of asked.

Also, it's quite obviuous that the link between SmashBoards and SmashWiki is why clubs are being banned. The wiki pages for clubs before weren't being banned, but after the Ridley incident they're all being makred for deletion. Some mods even said that SmashBoards and SmashWiki shouldn't be tied in together like with the banning of accounts. Just admit it, the mod crew here is full of hypocrites. {{unsigned|Biggie smalls}}

:''Who the hell said we aren't going to Brawl Tourneys? Maybe we will, maybe we won't. You should of asked.''

:Good job completely ignoring this part of my previous response:

:''The moment you guys actually act as a real crew (and start playing in tournaments representing this group), ''then'' you can have an article; at the moment, however, there's no reason at all for you all to have one.''

:Whether you will or will not play as a competitive crew in the future is irrelevant; there's no reason your alliance should have an article ''at the moment.''  Much emphasis on the phrase "at the moment," as your group is currently '''not''' playing competitively.

:''Also, it's quite obviuous that the link between SmashBoards and SmashWiki is why clubs are being banned.''

:I like how you didn't read my first response.  At all.  Forum alliances are not Wiki material; as I said before, this is a viewpoint the editing community here seems to agree upon.  If a GameFAQs character support group made an article here, their article would be deleted (or at the very least, flagged for deletion... for several days -_-), so honestly I haven't the slightest clue as to what you're trying to get at by bringing up the forums.  SWF has nothing to do with why your article should be deleted.

:''The wiki pages for clubs before weren't being banned, but after the Ridley incident they're all being makred for deletion.''

:Seeing as how I joined just shortly before that whole ridiculous incident, I can't really speak on the community's views on character support group articles.  I was virtually unaware of their existence up until that point.  From what I've seen, I will admit that editors here generally didn't mind these articles.  In fact, in most cases, they were against deleting them.  I personally never understood why some random internet forum alliance offering support for a character was somehow notable enough for an article and I took the opportunity to express my opinions when that Ridley incident unfolded (as you can see Talk:R.I.D.L.E.Y.|here).  Apparently, it turns out that others felt the same way and took the initiative to mark other such entries for deletion; obviously, at least one of the sysops here also agreed, seeing as how every one of those articles was eventually removed.

:What caused this change in stance on alliance articles?  I couldn't tell you; for what it's worth, more than likely it is due to the Ridley incident.  Whatever the case, that doesn't matter; those articles were deemed acceptable in the past and that is obviously no longer the case - oh, well.

:''Some mods even said that SmashBoards and SmashWiki shouldn't be tied in together like with the banning of accounts.''

:What part of, "Whichever moderator(s) said that are completely and totally incorrect, as an admin has stated [[SmashWiki:Pool_Room#SWF_bannings|otherwise]]" did you not understand?  When an admin has gone on record as saying something completely contrary to what a mod says, I'm going to take the admin's word as truth.  They're the highest authorities on the entire SWF network, thus they have the final say.  Why you continue to bring up what a mod or mods have said in the past, I don't know.  Honestly, I couldn't care less about that a mod may have said or suggested that bans aren't supposed to be universal; that mod was obviously wrong.

:''Just admit it, the mod crew here is full of hypocrites.''

:Yes, it's extremely hypocritical for the sysops to delete the alliance articles here on the grounds that they aren't appropriate material for a Wiki.  I mean, after all, let's just overlook the fact that mod staff at SWF is completely independent of the sysop staff here, so anything the SWF mods may have said regarding the Wiki (such as how it's supposed to be treated as an entirely-different entity from the forums) can be absolutely wrong.

:Your logic is astounding. &ndash; [[User:EPX2|<b><i>EP</i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:EPX2|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/EPX2|Edits]])</small> 19:23, December 20, 2007 (EST)

You JUST changed your arguement to why this should be deleted when it was established that these alliances were only being removed after the Ridley incident. By the way, I have to correct myself. An '''Admin''' said that in a question and answer thing here, that this place and SmashBoards are not to be affiliated in things like events and bans. 

Besides, for all you know we all could of went in a few Melee tourneys The only real reason this was marked for deletion was because it looked like a character alliance, even though really a group of tourneygoers who happened to like Dark Samus. {{unsigned|Biggie smalls}}

:''You JUST changed your arguement to why this should be deleted when it was established that these alliances were only being removed after the Ridley incident.''

:What in the hell are you talking about?  My entire argument for this article's deletion has been: a) it's not Wiki-worthy material as you're not a competitive crew and b) it's unfair to allow this to remain when other alliance articles were deleted.  I didn't change anything - reread my last two responses for proof (I might as well be asking you to fly).

:If anything, the only one who has continued to back up and change their poor arguments is yourself; you initially claimed that it'd be a violation of your rights for this article to be deleted.  Seeing that didn't work as how that free speech amendment you know so much about doesn't apply to a privately-owned entity (this website), you then tried suggesting that the article shouldn't be deleted because you may ''possibly'' play competitively in the future and that the mods are hypocrites (for whatever reason).  Seeing that argument also fail (and realizing that the mods on SWF =/= the sysops here), you're now trying to make it seem as if you're already a competitive crew, which is completely contrary to what you've said up to this point.

:And for goodness sakes, '''sign your comments'''.

:''By the way, I have to correct myself. An '''Admin''' said that in a question and answer thing here, that this place and SmashBoards are not to be affiliated in things like events and bans.''

:While I have to question the veracity of that claim (honestly, I think that's BS and you just decided to say that after realizing that what an admin declares will always overrule what a mod declares), I'd like to see a link.  Either way, that's not going to change my point - unless the admin who supposedly said that is on [[Special:Listadmins|this list]], '''they're wrong'''.

:''Besides, for all you know we all could of went in a few Melee tourneys.''

:That's obviously untrue as you've already admitted that this group not yet played competitively.  Don't bother with the ridiculous hypotheticals, please.

:''The only real reason this was marked for deletion was because it looked like a character alliance, even though really a group of tourneygoers who happened to like Dark Samus.''

:No, it's marked for deletion because it ''is'' a character alliance - it is '''not''' a crew and don't even attempt to suggest that it is, as you yourself have stated otherwise. &ndash; [[User:EPX2|<b><i>EP</i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:EPX2|Talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/EPX2|Edits]])</small> 06:30, December 21, 2007 (EST)
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