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:The changes are few and really minimalistic, especially compared to other buffed characters in patches. If you actually want a significantly buffed Marth, look at his list of patch changes in ''Smash 4''. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Consolas"><font color="red">[[User:DrakRoar|DrakRoar]] [[User talk:DrakRoar|the game design dragon]]</font></span>''' 19:17, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
:The changes are few and really minimalistic, especially compared to other buffed characters in patches. If you actually want a significantly buffed Marth, look at his list of patch changes in ''Smash 4''. [[File:034.png|20px]] '''<span style="font-family:Consolas"><font color="red">[[User:DrakRoar|DrakRoar]] [[User talk:DrakRoar|the game design dragon]]</font></span>''' 19:17, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
:Signifficantly would mean it's enough to shoot him up several tier placements (if Ultimate had a tier list that is). His changes were only a few minimal to decent buffs to only a few moves, which is no where near "signifficant". [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 02:35, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
:Signifficantly would mean it's enough to shoot him up several tier placements (if Ultimate had a tier list that is). His changes were only a few minimal to decent buffs to only a few moves, which is no where near "signifficant". [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omega Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 02:35, July 7, 2021 (EDT)


== About up tilt and dash attack ==
== About up tilt and dash attack ==
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:::::I was trying to reply to Meta, yeh. But whoopsie, gotta check the numbers a bit more carefully. I was also considering that Yoshi’s fair sourspot has a lot of KO viability itself, especially near the blast line, which is where you’d typically be using it. Marth’s dair might struggle to keep up in some situations, especially if soured. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 19:00, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
:::::I was trying to reply to Meta, yeh. But whoopsie, gotta check the numbers a bit more carefully. I was also considering that Yoshi’s fair sourspot has a lot of KO viability itself, especially near the blast line, which is where you’d typically be using it. Marth’s dair might struggle to keep up in some situations, especially if soured. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 19:00, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Yoshi sourspot fair is not killing earlier than a meteor offstage unless you're very close to the side blastzone (right off the ledge of FD those spikes were tested at, Yoshi's sourspot fair killed at 121% with no rage), and under the strictest measure of "power", Marth's dair is producing more knockback until very high percents (the pure knockback of Yoshi's sourspot fair doesn't catch up to Marth's dair meteor until 130ish%, far beyond the point of relevancy for offstage). But this and Marth's sourspots are irrelevant anyway, when the discussion is about the strength of Marth's tippers and how Marth's dair compares to other meteors. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:28, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Yoshi sourspot fair is not killing earlier than a meteor offstage unless you're very close to the side blastzone (right off the ledge of FD those spikes were tested at, Yoshi's sourspot fair killed at 121% with no rage), and under the strictest measure of "power", Marth's dair is producing more knockback until very high percents (the pure knockback of Yoshi's sourspot fair doesn't catch up to Marth's dair meteor until 130ish%, far beyond the point of relevancy for offstage). But this and Marth's sourspots are irrelevant anyway, when the discussion is about the strength of Marth's tippers and how Marth's dair compares to other meteors. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:28, September 10, 2021 (EDT)
==Question==
When did Marth's normal attacks-tilts get canonical names? The only official attack names are his specials, well for everyone. Did some update occur orr? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Chitoge63|Chitoge63]] ([[User talk:Chitoge63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chitoge63|contribs]]) 21:57, November 15, 2021 (EST)</small>
:They are sourced from a Japanese wiki which sources them from (as far as we're concerned) an official guidebook. More [[Special:PermanentLink/1628877#Moveset_names|here]]. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 22:03, November 15, 2021 (EST)
== Should Ignaize be listed as a notable player now? ==
After his solid Genesis result (49th) should we list him as a notable player now or wait for another major result?[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 07:32, April 17, 2022 (EDT)
:I would say probably wait longer he doesn't have that many placements at larger events yet. Remember it is not about notable players, it is about most historically significant players so we don't just add players out of a couple results. He can probably get on the [[User:Cookies and Creme/Historically Significant Player Watchlist|watchlist]] tho. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 07:41, April 17, 2022 (EDT)
👍🏻[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 08:10, April 17, 2022 (EDT)
== Attributes section says his "strengths outweigh his weaknesses" ==
This does not make any sense. Marth is currently below average on the current tier list, has underwhelming results in tournament, and is described as having 'bottom ten range' representation on the wiki page. I've attempted to update the 'Attributes' section twice to reflect these facts, but both edits were undone by Fran with the rationale 'results≠strengths'. This explanation seems like an indirect conjecture at best. Does anyone else have thoughts on this, or can provide more insight into why this description is justified despite the evidence to the contrary? [[User:FunkyGrip2000|FunkyGrip2000]] ([[User talk:FunkyGrip2000|talk]]) 05:00, January 25, 2024 (EST)

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