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==Origin game as opposed to artwork source==
==Origin game as opposed to artwork source==
For a few examples (e.g. Starfy), the artwork shown is from a later game than which the character first debuted (Starfy is shown with his The Legendary Starfy artwork, but the character debuted earlier beginning with Densetsu no Stafy). Would it be worth adding a different column; so one could be something such as "Source of artwork" and the other could be "Original appearance", or should it be left? [[User:Torchickens|Torchickens]] ([[User talk:Torchickens|talk]]) 13:20, 4 November 2018 (EST)
For a few examples (e.g. Starfy), the artwork shown is from a later game than which the character first debuted (Starfy is shown with his The Legendary Starfy artwork, but the character debuted earlier beginning with Densetsu no Stafy). Would it be worth adding a different column; so one could be something such as "Source of artwork" and the other could be "Original appearance", or should it be left? [[User:Torchickens|Torchickens]] ([[User talk:Torchickens|talk]]) 13:20, 4 November 2018 (EST)
:I think the Spirits should also mention the series/universe the character has come from especially for the other section in ''Ultimate'' since it counts as part of official sources in "Ultimate". This is especially a problem with both the '''Rusty Slugger''' and '''Inuji Darumeshi''' Spirits, technically they both come from the same series but simply asking the character's origin won't tell me that they are in the same series without looking for a regional differences of ''Rusty's Real Deal Baseball''. --[[User:MinorEdits|MinorEdits]] ([[User talk:MinorEdits|talk]]) 16:01, 16 December 2018 (EST)


== Looks like Wonder-red disappeared ==
== Looks like Wonder-red disappeared ==
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==What The Heck Happened to Rayman's picture?==
==What The Heck Happened to Rayman's picture?==
I added it in a while ago, and now its gone for some reason. I wan't to know what happened to it, was it a datamined picture?, or was it just a lazy canadite for the images?--[[User:Frezzysnezzly|Frezzysnezzly]] ([[User talk:Frezzysnezzly|talk]]) 12:09, 26 November 2018 (EST)
I added it in a while ago, and now its gone for some reason. I wan't to know what happened to it, was it a datamined picture?, or was it just a lazy canadite for the images?--[[User:Frezzysnezzly|Frezzysnezzly]] ([[User talk:Frezzysnezzly|talk]]) 12:09, 26 November 2018 (EST)
Yay, Its back--[[User:Frezzysnezzly|Frezzysnezzly]] ([[User talk:Frezzysnezzly|talk]]) 14:01, 26 November 2018 (EST)
==Spirit page proposal==
Hello. Before I start adding the template (I already have all the information to finish all the spirit pages) I'd like to summit the proposal found right now in the [[Sandbox]] as an idea on how to show and organize this pages. I think that the spirit battle information is different from the information of the spirit itself so it could be moved. Anyways, not sure where to post this discussion or if imporvements should be made to my idea. [[User:GamblerMario|GamblerMario]] ([[User talk:GamblerMario|talk]]) 18:14, 17 December 2018 (EST)
:Please redirect any comments to the ongoing discussion in the Sandbox page. Thanks. [[User:GamblerMario|GamblerMario]] ([[User talk:GamblerMario|talk]]) 18:24, 17 December 2018 (EST)
== Muddy Mole differences in PAL version ==
in the PAL version of Ultimate, Muddy Mole equips a drill instead of giving bury immunity. --[[User:BubzieBobkat|What could possibly go wrong?]] ([[User talk:BubzieBobkat|talk]]) 05:58, 20 December 2018 (EST)
== ''Shovel Knight'' Spirits may have been in a different order prior to updates. ==
So in the final game, the ''Shovel Knight'' Spirits are listed between the ''Dillon'' Spirits and the ''Culdcept'' Spirits when they are ordered by Series.
However, several videos I have found that listed all the Spirits actually list them between the Rayman Spirit and the Clip & Snip Spirit:
*https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVrFu2PV-8 (By ProfasiaGaming)
*https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CiK68gO5XQM (By BeardBear)
*https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwmJblkzM4w (By KokiriGaming)
Seeing how these videos were published just the day before ''Ultimate'' released, coupled by the fact that all three videos I showed feature the unaltered ''Game & Watch: Fire Attack'' Spirit, this seemingly means the ''Shovel Knight'' Spirits actually had their order changed in the Day 1 update. (Which, funnily enough, actually put them in the wrong placement when their prior placement is more accurate to how other series are ordered. See the Trivia entry of the main page for more info.) [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 01:23, 25 December 2018 (EST)
==Some more details about an edit I made==
https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_spirits_(Others)&oldid=1175887
In the summary I meant page 8 of the Chee-Chai Alien manual rather than 'page 8 of artwork', sorry about this. Basically for this artwork it's alongside a speech bubble telling you about the Game Boy Color controls and how they are used in the game, but it was reused for Nonono Puzzle Chalien's manual-poster. [[User:Torchickens|Torchickens]] ([[User talk:Torchickens|talk]]) 11:08, 22 January 2019 (EST)
==Add palette color to spirit fight list==
I thought it would be important to have this too, because in each fight the puppet fighter uses the palette that is closest to the spirit you're trying to release. Even if it's just aesthetic, I think it should prove how much effort the development team put in the game and in trying to make the experience as deep as possible for the player. I'm suggesting this because I cannot recall all of them, and I don't just have the time to run through all of World of Light again or hang around Spirit Board waiting for all of them to show up. [[Special:Contributions/189.94.119.12|189.94.119.12]] 20:23, 21 February 2019 (EST)
:The characters icons in the Enemy Fighter(s) column are already using the palette used for each fighter. I think it's good enough to show which palette is used without cramping the table. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 16:18, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
== Tank & Infantry in Spirit Board ? ==
While I have a screenshot of this spirit's battle being in the Spirit Board, another user told me that this particular spirit may have been available in the Spirit Board exclusively during an event. I have no way to know if I took that screenshot during that even or not, but I never managed to see it again since this user pointed that out. So if anyone see that particular spirit in the Spirit Board outside of any event, please come here to tell. Otherwise, it may be necessary to add a mention of its Spirit Battle being avalaible only during events. [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 16:15, March 19, 2019 (EDT)
== Toy-Con Robot Spirit ==
Does anyone know anything about this Toy-Con Robot Spirit? You can see it at 16:36. https://youtu.be/R-1w0bAzb7Q
--[[Special:Contributions/173.171.204.37|173.171.204.37]] 18:09, April 18, 2019 (EDT)
== Alternative Spirit Battles? ==
Something weird happened: While Cuphead and Mugman spirit battles both have been seen on twitter featuring a red and a blue Megaman, I got to fight Mii Gunners with the Cuphead costume instead... Is it possible that those two spirit battles have different settings depending on if you have the DLC costume or not? Can people who didn't buy the Cuphead costume confirm here that they got to fight Megaman and not Mii Gunners? [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 04:27, February 14, 2020 (EST)
:Apparently yes, according to the [[Ready? Wallop!]] page, those who didn't download the Cuphead suits instead fight Mega Man. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="green">Omegα</font>]][[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="red">Toαd</font><font color="blue">64</font>]]'''</span> 04:35, February 14, 2020 (EST)
::Can confirm. No DLC, no Cuphead Miis and no Cuphead Music.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:38, February 14, 2020 (EST)
That's going to be a mess... what should we do? Should we duplicate the lines like I do bellow? [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 05:38, February 14, 2020 (EST)
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="width:100%;"
|-
! colspan=3|Spirit
! colspan=7|Battle parameters
! colspan=1 rowspan=2|Inspiration
|-
! style="width:5%;"|No.
! style="width:5%;"|Image
! Name
! Enemy Fighter(s)
! style="width:5%;"|Type
! style="width:5%;"|Power
! Stage
! Rules
! Conditions
! Music
|-
|rowspan="2"|1,398
|rowspan="2"|[[File:SSBU spirit Cuphead.png|center|108x108px]]
|rowspan="2"|[[Cuphead]]
|•{{SSBU|Mega Man}} {{Head|Mega Man|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}<br>•Giant {{SSBU|Peach}} Team (×3) ({{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=White}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}})
|[[File:SpiritTypeAttack.png|20px|center|Attack]]
|9,400
|[[New Pork City]] ([[Ω form]])
|N/A
|•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The enemy's ranged weapons have increased power<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
|{{SSBUMusicLink|Other|Final Results - Wii Party U}}
|rowspan="2"|
*''Trivia points 1''
*''Trivia points 2''
*''...''
|-
|•{{SSBU|Mii Gunner}} {{Head|Mii Gunner|g=SSBU|s=20px}} (Cuphead Hat, Cuphead Outfit)<br>•Giant {{SSBU|Peach}} Team (×3) ({{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=White}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}})
|[[File:SpiritTypeAttack.png|20px|center|Attack]]
|9,400
|[[New Pork City]] ([[Ω form]])
|N/A
|•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The enemy's ranged weapons have increased power<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
|{{SSBUMusicLink|Other|Floral Fury}}
|}
{|class="wikitable sortable" style="width:100%;"
|-
! colspan=3|Spirit
! colspan=7|Battle parameters
! colspan=1 rowspan=2|Inspiration
|-
! style="width:5%;"|No.
! style="width:5%;"|Image
! Name
! Enemy Fighter(s)
! style="width:5%;"|Type
! style="width:5%;"|Power
! Stage
! Rules
! Conditions
! Music
|-
|rowspan="2"|1,398
|rowspan="2"|[[File:SSBU spirit Cuphead.png|center|108x108px]]
|rowspan="2"|[[Cuphead]]
|•{{SSBU|Mega Man}} {{Head|Mega Man|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}<br>•Giant {{SSBU|Peach}} Team (×3) ({{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=White}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}})
|rowspan="2"|[[File:SpiritTypeAttack.png|20px|center|Attack]]
|rowspan="2"|9,400
|rowspan="2"|[[New Pork City]] ([[Ω form]])
|rowspan="2"|N/A
|rowspan="2"|•Defeat the main fighter to win<br>•The enemy's ranged weapons have increased power<br>•[[Stamina battle]]
|{{SSBUMusicLink|Other|Final Results - Wii Party U}}
|rowspan="2"|
*''Trivia points 1''
*''Trivia points 2''
*''...''
|-
|•{{SSBU|Mii Gunner}} {{Head|Mii Gunner|g=SSBU|s=20px}} (Cuphead Hat, Cuphead Outfit)<br>•Giant {{SSBU|Peach}} Team (×3) ({{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=White}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Red}}{{Head|Peach|g=SSBU|s=20px|cl=Green}})
|{{SSBUMusicLink|Other|Floral Fury}}
|}
:I'd say the second looks less repetitive. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="green">Omegα</font>]][[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="red">Toαd</font><font color="blue">64</font>]]'''</span> 05:43, February 14, 2020 (EST)
::Agreed on the second one. More readable, minimizes edit errors, fewer bytes, and less repetitive.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 05:56, February 14, 2020 (EST)
Well, I've done it: I added a slightly grey background to highlight the DLC version, and put a reusable footnote to explain in a general way why some spirit battles have alternative settings (that will work for any future similar situation). [[User:YoshiRyu|YoshiRyu]] ([[User talk:YoshiRyu|talk]]) 07:01, February 18, 2020 (EST)
== Cuphead pngs? ==
Are there no png images of the renders of the Cuphead spirits available outside of the in-game rips? I've scoured for a very long time and can't find any that are identical to the ones used for the spirits. Is the person who usually does the in-game rips unavailable at this time?
:I was wondering this too; how do we not have transparent PNGs for them yet? [[User:Aykrivwassup|Aykrivwassup]] ([[User talk:Aykrivwassup|talk]]) 14:20, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
::It's because we don't take fan transparencies, and instead rely on the images being ripped from the game's files, which Cuphead hasn't had yet. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 14:24, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
:::I know Random Talking Bush on [https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_switch/supersmashbrosultimate/sheet/116167/ Spriters Resource] often has the rips, but he has said "Due to changes in the backend regarding event-based Spirits, I actually cannot rip the Link's Awakening spirits yet (or any others not tied to character releases in the future)". I'm not aware of anyone else who has the tools to rip the images. We may have to wait until something changes that allows them to be ripped.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 14:28, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
::::While we're on the subject of non-transparent spirit images: We still don't have an image for the Natah spirit at all. Would this [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER2Ul_vU8AE9mFN?format=jpg&name=large] be a suitable replacement until the spirit itself gets ripped? [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 14:33, March 16, 2020 (EDT)
== Moving ARMS spirits ==
With the unknown ''ARMS'' fighter appearing soon, for those of us who want to move the spirits to its own list, I think it's fair that after the ''ARMS'' DLC is released, we should look at the base spirits on the Spirit Collection list and see if they have the ''ARMS'' symbol put up. That way, we'll know when to move them. [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 20:37, March 26, 2020 (EDT)
:I'm not opposed to giving ''ARMS'' its own page, but we need to wait for it to be confirmed that they are counted as their own before removing them from this page. I'll definitely be watching the spirits collection and the ability plates to see if there is a change and updating as needed. I'll also be checking for the series damage bonus to be sure.--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 20:45, March 26, 2020 (EDT)
== Ralf & Clark ==
If I'm not mistaken, SmashWiki's current practice is that spirits featuring multiple characters (such as Ralf & Clark) have their "origin game" as the first game featuring both characters together as a duo, rather than separately listing their individual debuts, in order to reduce the amount of content in the origins column. Examples include Boom Boom & Pom Pom, Dixie Kong & Kiddy Kong, Donkey Kong & Bongos (even though Bongos isn't a character, but I digress), and Skull Kid & Majora's Mask. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 15:15, April 17, 2020 (EDT)
:A counterargument I would like to make to this is that all of the examples you listed have atleast one of the characters within them appear as standalone spirits (Boom Boom, Dixie Kong, Donkey Kong, and both Skull Kid and Majora's Mask <s>which makes me wonder why the "Skull Kid & Majora's Mask" isn't a Summon Spirit</s>. Neither Ralf nor Clark have a standalone spirit of their own, meaning there's no way to know that Ralf didn't debut in ''Ikari Warriors''. To prove my point, Banjo & Kazooie's spirit doesn't follow this rule on the ''BK'' spirits page. If I can be quite honest, though, I feel like the "origin game" and "artwork origin" parts should be removed altogether as no info like that is present in-game. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 15:21, April 17, 2020 (EDT)
::Well, that discussion is what [[Forum:Removal of Origin Game/Artwork from List of spirits pages|this forum]] is for (but, as a counterpoint, SmashWiki in general is full of "origin game" information that isn't present in-game, so I don't see why this should be held against spirits). Otherwise, I suppose it's a fair point that the other "duo spirits" have another spirit for the individual character debuts. --[[User:PeabodySam|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam|talk]]) 15:29, April 17, 2020 (EDT)
== Leon spirit battle references ==
The Ganado weren't zombies, they were infected with a mind-controlling parasite. [[Special:Contributions/97.88.55.134|97.88.55.134]] 12:37, June 3, 2020 (EDT)

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