Editing Talk:List of leaks

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== Apparently, a beta tester revealed Incineroar and PP early ==

2 months ago, a guy with the Reddit handle Noatesty randomly replied to a post on r/SmashUltimate, describing Incineroar and PP's movesets right down to a T, also remarking PP was only available by using the debug menu. Everything he described ended up being correct, so I think this should be added. (Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/9fk0yw/potential_dlc_fighters/)

If you don't feel like clicking on the link, here's the post he made (very top of the comment thread):

"I worked on it for a while and no fucking joke the only one in the game as of a couple weeks ago is a pirhana plant. I have no idea why. It doesn't even have the fireball they're known for. Such a strange choice, people are going to be pissed when they announce that. It's pretty playable though just some minor graphical bugs last I checked. I assume they'll do more DLC in the future but that's the only one in the build we got (you have to use the debug menu to use him).

Also Incineroar is on the base roster, he does a bunch of wrestling moves, it's kind of weird. Also his purple skin definitely looks like Big the Cat's colors, probably a coincidence but I always found it funny. His side special is especially strange you literally summon ropes and bounce the opponent against them. Seriously I know that sounds stupid but you'll see, that's legitimately his side special. Is there a pokemon move to justify that? I can't imagine there is."[[Special:Contributions/108.56.71.43|108.56.71.43]] 16:25, 23 November 2018 (EST)

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it's really weird how nobody in the Leak section added this up since while leaving the 4chan one as only authentic one that existed first. Its been almost 2 months now. Also i created a screenshot of the original rumor but i'll provide it later on.  [[User:ZenythSmash|ZenythSmash]] ([[User talk:ZenythSmash|talk]]) 01:06, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Okay, real talk; how the hell has this not been added yet? [[Special:Contributions/205.222.3.120|205.222.3.120]] 14:21, March 22, 2019 (EDT)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:31, February 10, 2020 (EST)

==Ultimate gameplay has leaked and revealed that Marx is the boss of Kirby's classic mode==
Someone needs to add this soon since I can't add it myself for obvious reasons also the one who leaked it was a YouTuber called Jared desantis

Way more than that. We're also getting Ganon as a boss (OoT version), Crazy Hand got a new remix, tons of Spirits got revealed, and two more maps for World of Light got revealed (most damning, a World of Dark version and a multi-phased boss fight). That's not even everything revealed in the datamines. I feel sorry for whoever has to catalog all this. [[Special:Contributions/108.56.71.43|108.56.71.43]] 20:39, 24 November 2018 (EST)
:That would go to the [[List of rumors]] page, as it hasn't been proven correct. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 20:54, 24 November 2018 (EST)
::Really, dog? This was all ripped directly from the game's files. What more does it need to be proven correct? God coming down from the sky and saying "Yup, this shit's legit?" If you really doubt this, look it up.

For anybody else reading this, here's a video documenting all this; multiple links to the info found is present in the video description (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1qay55vmM)[[Special:Contributions/108.56.71.43|108.56.71.43]] 21:02, 24 November 2018 (EST)
:Is that from Nintendo's channel? If not, then it doesn't need to be here. We can a: wait until release or 
:b: put it in the List of rumors page until Nintendo's confirmation. As it needs to be confirmed by NINTENDO to be true. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 21:33, 24 November 2018 (EST)
::Are you blind, deaf, or just fucking stupid? This data was RIPPED FROM THE GAME FILES. THAT'S LITERALLY ALL THE EVIDENCE ANYBODY NEEDS. YOU CAN FIND LITERALLY ALL OF THIS ONLINE (the WoL cutscenes, pictures of the bosses, everything) if you used your fucking brain. If you got the full copy of this game in your hands and played it and found it was all true, would you say "Nope, Ninteny didn't say this, it's not confirmed?" I know wiki moderation isn't exactly intelligent in general, but holy shit. Smh. [[Special:Contributions/108.56.71.43|108.56.71.43]] 21:39, 24 November 2018 (EST)
:::Have a read of [[SmashWiki:Citation]], and also [[SW:NPA]] while you’re at it. Your extremely unpleasant behaviour will not see you lasting very long here if you do not kerb it. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 22:15, 24 November 2018 (EST)
::::If I may, an early copy of the game isn't exactly a "leak" that would go under our leaks page in its own little section; it's weird, but that's how it is (unless someone would like to argue that). That said, a mention of it would not be a bad idea (i.e., "two weeks before Ultimate's release date, people began to pirate the game and stream it online, showing off unrevealed information about the game.") Regarding the current state of the discussion, however:
::::#IP - we will not tolerate that kind of behavior on the wiki. This is to be a positive environment; we're not Facebook or Twitter or Reddit.
::::#Corrin Fan - I do have to side with the IP here. There isn't much more proof than the files from the game itself. Sure, [https://twitter.com/_Mizumi people have attempted to make up stuff before about what's in the game's files], but video proof can't really be beat. [[ESRB leak|We tried to do that once, and it failed]].
::::[[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 22:28, 24 November 2018 (EST)
:::::Yeah, no. The IP, though incredibly rude, is right. Nintendo does '''not''' need to confirm that something is true for it to be true; the game itself, and datamines from said game (plus actual Twitch/YouTube streams!) are reliable sources that can be used to confirm/deconfirm leaks, which we have. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:goldenrod;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:limegreen;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 22:37, 24 November 2018 (EST)
:According to the website TV Tropes, what happened is that the game was shipped to Mexican retailers early, and the retailers just shrugged and sold them as-is. I assume we're not actually putting any of this thread in the article until after the game actually launches, though, from what I can tell.[[Special:Contributions/99.46.176.64|99.46.176.64]] 17:18, 27 November 2018 (EST)
:Also, you said they were "ripped from the game files." Great, we literally have a notice on the top of every wiki page stating '''not''' to upload datamined content. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 17:48, 27 November 2018 (EST)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:23, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== How come the datamine isn't anywhere on this page? ==

It's pretty dang significant if you ask me. The entire game was leaked two weeks early over the internet after early copies were accidentally released in Mexico, and tons of stuff was shown off like all the music tracks, all the bosses, Snake's Codecs, Mii costumes, spirits, how tons of modes like Squad Strike work, Palutena's Guidances, the entirety of World of Light, it's maps and it's cutscenes, and so much more. It boggles my mind how something this huge is barely mentioned at all like it never even happened. And this stuff was never shown off before, and was all found via leaks and the leaked copies of the game. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:JustrzBustrz|JustrzBustrz]] ([[User talk:JustrzBustrz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JustrzBustrz|contribs]]) 23:56, January 3, 2019‎</small>
:<s>Please read the page more carefully; the leak you mention is indeed listed under the heading "Completed Game Leak". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 19:34, 6 February 2019 (EST)</s>
::Uh Toomai... that post was from a month ago. That section was added just last week. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 19:39, 6 February 2019 (EST)
:::Really? Ugh I guess I shouldn't assume that the unsigned template is being added within a few days. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Dispenser 19:42, 6 February 2019 (EST)
Because it contradicts Loz18 holy be his name. Skull Kid Confirmed.
:Did ''you'' read the page, IP? Because the datamine is, in fact, on the page. We'd all appreciate it if you stopped being a dick and assuming that other leaks don't get on here because it "goes against Loz18". Grow up. We have other shit on this wiki to do. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Lovely Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:43, 11 February 2019 (EST)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:26, February 10, 2020 (EST)
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== Should the Grinch Leak be included on this page? ==
The Grinch leak was probably one of the most convincing fake leaks for Smash Ultimate, and I think it deserves a spot on the page. Not really much else I want to put, just that question. {{Unsigned|Blue Guy|16:26, February 11, 2019}}
:As the so called "Grinch Leak" was proven false (with only one of the supposed characters being in the actual game), it stays on the List of Rumors page. The leaks page is specifically for leaks proven true/correct.[[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 20:19, 11 February 2019 (EST)
:: AAAAAAAND for leaks that are made by people we like. But not leaks made by the evil Kraut Man. Kraut Man Bad. Even if he leaked everything up til the release of the game accurately and Loz18 confessed to being a troll who guessed at everything it does not matter. See them run like pigs from a gun. I need scissors 61. {{unsigned|104.56.148.18|16:54, February 21, 2019‎ }}
:::Aren't you complaining about how a person you like isn't on the leaks page? [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 11:29, 22 February 2019 (EST)

==amiibo leaks==
Considering the "leaked" amiibo page came from the official guide, I think we should definitely remove it or move it the rumors page as it was simply a misinterpreted reveal. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 02:19, 14 February 2019 (EST)
:Surprised this hasn’t been added yet. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:32, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== Joker's stage leaked? ==


Joker's stage may have been datamined, it seems to be Mementos.

(https://twitter.com/DrHyperCake/status/1098341121170665473/photo/1) [[Special:Contributions/205.222.248.120|205.222.248.120]] 09:44, 21 February 2019 (EST)
:It seems to be, and honestly there aren't a lot of places from P5 suited for Smash, but it should go to the List of Rumors once that page gets unlocked until Nintendo confirms it for real. [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 11:35, 22 February 2019 (EST)
::This belongs more on the rumor talk section, since it isn't 100% confirmed. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 11:44, 22 February 2019 (EST)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:25, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== Should the CoroCoro stage thing be on this page? ==

While I'm aware that the List of Rumors is still locked, I'm curious as to why some people decided to add the C.C. thing to this page. <br>
I just want to know what the plan and consensus is regarding this entry. [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 17:33, 23 February 2019 (EST)
:I'm guessing because misprint or not, 108 is the correct amount of stages, the 103 we have now and the 5 we will get for DLC. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 17:57, 23 February 2019 (EST)
This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:29, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== Stage Builer leak ==

I though the stage builder leak was supposed to remain on the rumors page [[User:MateNan|MateNan]] ([[User talk:MateNan|talk]]) 14:42, April 10, 2019 (EDT)
:It was agreed on (mostly) that since the leak came from an official source (Nintendo), there is no way it could be false. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Sonic Fan</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 15:11, April 10, 2019 (EDT)
::I am also of opinion that it should be in '''Leaks'''. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 15:50, April 10, 2019 (EDT)
:::It's not a matter of whether or not it's false - it's a matter of it being not fully confirmed yet. It's weird, I will admit, but I'm simply following [[Leak#Castlevania music leak|what's]] [[Leak#Ken leak|been]] [[Leak#Healing Sprout leak|done]] previously, as all three were on the rumors page before official confirmation.  [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: cyan;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: pink;">'''the Springing Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:53, April 10, 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't agree that this is really how leaks should work. Fact is, whether intentionally or not, Nintendo leaked information about the upcoming update, and therefore it should be noted in the leak article. It makes absolutely no sense not to. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 15:56, April 10, 2019 (EDT)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:27, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== Rename ==

'''Support''' moving to "list of notable leaks", and perhaps splitting per-game as well. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 11:01, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
:Honestly? I don't really care ''what'' they are moved to so long as they are made consistent. That's just me though. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:48, July 6, 2019 (EDT)
::I don't feel "notable" is necessary. "List of leaks" is enough. [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] ([[User talk:Bwburke94|talk]]) 16:48, July 7, 2019 (EDT)
:::”List of leaks” implies that we documented all of them. The thing is, there might be some that went right under or nose. Regardless, [[List of Rumors” should have “notable” added to its title so that we make it clear that we aren’t documenting EVERY single rumor. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 16:18, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
::::If there are "some that went right under our nose", then they should be documented here as soon as possible. Sure, this page might not have every leak in Smash history, but that is certainly the goal of the page. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 22:24, July 8, 2019 (EDT)
:'''Support.''' Better this be List of leaks than just "Leaks" and "Rumors". --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 23:21, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

So, um... have we reached a consensus here? Asking so I can move this and/or [[List of rumors]]. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] [[User talk:Awesomelink234|Leave a message if needed]] 14:01, July 29, 2019 (EDT)
:I see there's already a discussion here despite the fact that I added the tag. Despite this, one of the pages should be renamed for consistency, and "Rumor" sounds terrible. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 17:13, January 9, 2020 (EST)
:'''Support''' If any of the two pages should be renamed it's this one, as "Rumor" sounds stupid. <span style="font-family: Algerian">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:green;">Supα</span>]][[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:red;">Toαd</span><span style="color:blue;">64</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 20:25, January 12, 2020 (EST)

Does it have to be "list of notable leaks"? I mean... I don't know how or why leaks have to be "notable": they're either confirmed to be real or not. It works for rumors since that's actually a metric used to determine what goes on the page. Unless I'm mistaken, a leak's veracity can not and should not be determined by how much traction it gets, but if it verifiably leaks information before its intended publishing date or not. Perhaps "List of notable rumors" and "List of confirmed leaks" would work in this case? - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 21:06, February 10, 2020 (EST)
:Adding "notable" to the title lets readers know if said leak was reliable. For example, the I remember somebody on Reddit saying that King K. Rool would get in, without any other info. Even though he did get in, there is no way to prove if he was right because he had no other info. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 10:46, February 21, 2020 (EST)
::But that's the thing: if you can't prove that it's a real leak, then it by definition is not a "confirmed" leak. Plenty of fans said K. Rool would be in the game, but obviously that's not leaking and it's completely impractical to prove that it was. And besides, isn't another component of notability how much discussion it gets? Because certainly several pieces here, particularly in the Ultimate section, didn't garner significant discussion (though that might just be more of a sign that we need to trim the fat...). And even then, the stuff here is supposed to warrant discussion ''because'' they've been confirmed. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 13:14, February 21, 2020 (EST)
...You're absolutely correct. "List of confirmed leaks" is a better name noe that I think about it. Though it should be noted that there are a couple of reliably true leaks that didn't garner discussion, such as the E3 leak that leaked Echo Fighters and the Piranha Plant leak. While those did have a little wrong info, (Squid Sisters being Inklings' FS and Plant being in a car), those seem to be more human error than wrong info. [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 05:04, February 22, 2020 (EST)

Bumping this: the tag has been up for a long time so let's decide on one name: either [[list of rumors]] gets moved, or this is going to be:
*"'''List of leaks'''", 
*"'''List of notable leaks'''",
*"'''List of confirmed leaks'''"
Me personally, the last one makes it clear that this page is for ''confirmed'' leaks. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="font-family:Algerian">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd</font> <font color="aqua">the Toαd Wαrrior</font>]] [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">(BUP)</font></span>]]''' 20:55, April 6, 2020 (EDT)

:'''Support''' "List of confirmed leaks". - [[User:Mega Mario Man|Mega Mario Man]] ([[User talk:Mega Mario Man|talk]]) 16:00, April 7, 2020 (EDT)

Wait what? We're not putting the "confirmed" in the title? Or was there not enough consensus for it? Granted, I don't really care since "notable" is not in the title, but still. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 20:52, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

:For now it's a minor thing so I don't think it's needed for now. There was a bit of a conflict going on so for now let's just leave this the way it is unless there is a big disagreement. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 21:00, May 9, 2020 (EDT)

== So It Seems The Dragon Quest Spirits Got Leaked... ==

From what I've heard, a few people messed around with urls used on some official site used for Spirit Events, and people found previews for spirits that Hero seems to be bringing with him, such as [https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_slime.png the iconic Slime enemy,][https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_golem.png a Golem,][https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_king_slime.png a King Slime,][https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/img/spirits/spirits_1_brave_killer_panther.png a Killer Panther,]and three other baddies plus the entire party of ''Dragon Quest XI'' (ala The Phantom Thieves spirit) that I don't have links to.<br>
So do we add this to the List of Rumors and later this page, or what? [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 21:35, July 26, 2019 (EDT)

This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:24, February 10, 2020 (EST)

==Date Leaks==
Are they really that notable? We know the content is coming, so is it really notable if a leak tells us when something we already know about is coming? [[Special:Contributions/72.203.118.154|72.203.118.154]] 03:18, January 9, 2020 (EST)

== Delete some of these discussions? ==

Some of these discussions have already been added on so wouldn’t it make sense to delete some of them? I wouldn’t delete the ones that still haven’t been added on but instead the ones, Mementos stage being leaked etc. Mentioned this 2 months ago and no one ever seemed to disagree so today I did it and it was just added back. I understand why but the discussions have no point right now.[[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 00:39, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
:Posts on talk pages do not get removed. They can be archived but not out right removed under normal circumstances [[SW:TALK#Editing_and_removing_comments|SW:TALK]].--[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User_talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 00:47, April 15, 2020 (EDT)
Oh ok. Sorry for my misunderstanding. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 1:15, April 15, 2020 (EDT)

== Min Min? ==

There was a screenshot a couple weeks back that allegedly showed one of Min Min's victory poses; it wasn't super widespread, but now that we know the fighter is, indeed, Min Min, anyone feel like digging it back up and comparing it to her actual model? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 11:32, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
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 == How come the datamine isn't anywhere on this page? ==
-It's pretty dang significant if you ask me. The entire game was leaked two weeks early over the internet after early copies were accidentally released in Mexico, and tons of stuff was shown off like all the music tracks, all the bosses, Snake's Codecs, Mii costumes, spirits, how tons of modes like Squad Strike work, Palutena's Guidances, the entirety of World of Light, it's maps and it's cutscenes, and so much more. It boggles my mind how something this huge is barely mentioned at all like it never even happened. And this stuff was never shown off before, and was all found via leaks and the leaked copies of the game. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:JustrzBustrz|JustrzBustrz]] ([[User talk:JustrzBustrz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JustrzBustrz|contribs]]) 23:56, January 3, 2019</small>
+It's pretty dang significant if you ask me. The entire game was leaked two weeks early over the internet after early copies were accidentally released in Mexico, and tons of stuff was shown off like all the music tracks, all the bosses, Snake's Codecs, Mii costumes, spirits, how tons of modes like Squad Strike work, Palutena's Guidances, the entirety of World of Light, it's maps and it's cutscenes, and so much more. It boggles my mind how something this huge is barely mentioned at all like it never even happened. And this stuff was never shown off before, and was all found via leaks and the leaked copies of the game. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:JustrzBustrz|JustrzBustrz]] ([[User talk:JustrzBustrz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JustrzBustrz|contribs]]) 23:56, January 3, 2019‎</small>
 :<s>Please read the page more carefully; the leak you mention is indeed listed under the heading "Completed Game Leak". [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 19:34, 6 February 2019 (EST)</s>
 ::Uh Toomai... that post was from a month ago. That section was added just last week. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 19:39, 6 February 2019 (EST)
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 == Should the Grinch Leak be included on this page? ==
-The Grinch leak was probably one of the most convincing fake leaks for Smash Ultimate, and I think it deserves a spot on the page. Not really much else I want to put, just that question. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Blue Guy|Blue Guy]] ([[User talk:Blue Guy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blue Guy|contribs]]) 16:26, February 11, 2019</small>
+The Grinch leak was probably one of the most convincing fake leaks for Smash Ultimate, and I think it deserves a spot on the page. Not really much else I want to put, just that question. {{Unsigned|Blue Guy|16:26, February 11, 2019}}
 :As the so called "Grinch Leak" was proven false (with only one of the supposed characters being in the actual game), it stays on the List of Rumors page. The leaks page is specifically for leaks proven true/correct.[[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 20:19, 11 February 2019 (EST)
-:: AAAAAAAND for leaks that are made by people we like. But not leaks made by the evil Kraut Man. Kraut Man Bad. Even if he leaked everything up til the release of the game accurately and Loz18 confessed to being a troll who guessed at everything it does not matter. See them run like pigs from a gun. I need scissors 61. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:104.56.148.18|104.56.148.18]] ([[User talk:104.56.148.18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/104.56.148.18|contribs]]) 16:54, February 21, 2019 </small>
+:: AAAAAAAND for leaks that are made by people we like. But not leaks made by the evil Kraut Man. Kraut Man Bad. Even if he leaked everything up til the release of the game accurately and Loz18 confessed to being a troll who guessed at everything it does not matter. See them run like pigs from a gun. I need scissors 61. {{unsigned|104.56.148.18|16:54, February 21, 2019‎ }}
 :::Aren't you complaining about how a person you like isn't on the leaks page? [[User:CardboardLuigi|CardboardLuigi]] ([[User talk:CardboardLuigi|talk]]) 11:29, 22 February 2019 (EST)
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 Considering the "leaked" amiibo page came from the official guide, I think we should definitely remove it or move it the rumors page as it was simply a misinterpreted reveal. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 02:19, 14 February 2019 (EST)
 :Surprised this hasn’t been added yet. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:32, February 10, 2020 (EST)
-Bump [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 11:17, October 4, 2021 (EDT)
 == Joker's stage leaked? ==
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 :I'm guessing because misprint or not, 108 is the correct amount of stages, the 103 we have now and the 5 we will get for DLC. [[User:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman"><span style="color: red;">SugarCookie</span></span>]] [[User talk:SugarCookie420|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color: green;">420</span></span>]] 17:57, 23 February 2019 (EST)
 This added to the article. It make sense to delete this now. [[User:RobbyB3ll4s|RobbyB3ll4s]] ([[User talk:RobbyB3ll4s|talk]]) 20:29, February 10, 2020 (EST)
-I'm going back on this. I still have my doubts as to whether or not this belongs in leaks at all. Their next issue dropped the stages from 108 to 103, and DLC wasn't publicly announced until the November 2018 Direct. I'm highly doubtful that CoroCoro was given information about the announcement of the DLC stages from Nintendo or some other source given that their September issue with their "108" stages were mostly retreading the content announced from the August 2018 Direct. -- [[User:PanchamBro|PanchamBro]] ([[User talk:PanchamBro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PanchamBro|contributions]]) 08:13, March 5, 2022 (EST)
 == Stage Builer leak ==
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 There was a screenshot a couple weeks back that allegedly showed one of Min Min's victory poses; it wasn't super widespread, but now that we know the fighter is, indeed, Min Min, anyone feel like digging it back up and comparing it to her actual model? [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 11:32, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-:I don't think the pose was shown in the broadcast. Let's wait until patch 8.0.0 to find out. [[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]] [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style=" font-family: Comic Sans MS;color: Red;">talk</span>'']])[[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] 11:37, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-::Can you provide a link to the screenshot? Maybe even upload it? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] ([[User talk:SeanWheeler|talk]]) 12:54, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-:::I'm not TheNuttyOne but here is the source. I just noticed many problems. https://www.dexerto.com/smash/smash-ultimate-leak-reveals-arms-dlc-fighter-but-is-it-real-1376651 [[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]] [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style=" font-family: Comic Sans MS;color: Red;">talk</span>'']])[[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] 15:31, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-::::Clearly fake, as its series symbol is different from the real one. However, maybe this should go onto [[List of Rumors]]? There's similar situations for SSB4 Lucina and Palutena on that page. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 20:38, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-:::::It's clearly PhotoShop as her model in the leak is directly taken from ARMS and the series symbol is different. [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 21:12, June 22, 2020 (EDT)
-Also, I dont think the font on the text "Min Min" is correct, it looks too thin. Its Ya Boy, [[Special:Contributions/MeleeBoi|MeleeBoi]] [[Image:{{NameToIcon|Isabelle}}Head{{#if:Blue|Blue}}{{#if:SSBU|{{#ifeq:SSBU|SSB4|SSB4-U|SSBU}}}}.png{{#if:12px|{{!}}12px}}|link={{#if:|{{{l}}}|Isabelle{{#if:SSBU|&#32;({{#switch:SSBU|SSB4-U|SSB4-3=SSB4|#default=SSBU}})}}}}]] 18:07, June 23, 2020 (EDT)
-:Definitely agree here. [[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]] [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style=" font-family: Comic Sans MS;color: Red;">talk</span>'']])[[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] 15:03, June 24, 2020 (EDT)
-==Putting the 7-11 leaks together==
-Can we just consolidate the 7-11 poster related sections into one? They all basically share the same text and the same method of implication: I think we can easily just put a list describing the type of leak and all the specific instances of it occurring. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 16:22, September 30, 2020 (EDT)
-:I've asked that on Discord, and the few that responded seemed to like the merge as well. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 16:34, September 30, 2020 (EDT)
-== Removal of Stage Builder leak ==
-The stage builder "leak" listed this page should not be considered a leak on the basis that it was directly showed off in an advertisement. Unlike the SSBB Lucario/Jigglypuff/Ness leak and SSB4 Ganondorf leak, Stage Builder being showed off in this ad was seemingly intentional. The ad was not edited or removed to reflect the "leak" and the ad even takes time to emphasize the new mode in the background. This same argument can be applied to the Battlefield Ω "leak". So with that said, I '''support''' removal of the Stage Builder and Battlefield Ω leaks. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 07:52, December 16, 2020 (EST)
-:'''Support'''. Not much else I can add to that. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: red;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: green;">'''the Festive Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:54, December 16, 2020 (EST)
-:'''Oppose''' it wasn't revealed before the ad, and the 3.0 update video spoke about it as if no one was meant to know about it before. [[User:RSM|<span style="color: #714EFF">'''RSM'''</span>]] [[File:RSMSignatureHead1.png|20px|Banjo_%26_Kazooie_(SSBU)]][[File:RSMSignatureHead2.png|20px|Steve_(SSBU)]] ([[User talk:RSM|talk]]) 08:36, November 29, 2020 (EST) 13:07, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-Intent is not what defines whether something is a leak or not. A leak is simply when something is revealed prior to an official announcement/acknowledgement. Intentionally leaking something is entirely possible, and in fact many individuals/companies have used this technique. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 08:41, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-:And in what way is this ad not an "acknowledgement" of the mode? Intent matters sure, but if the intent is to intentionally reveal something in a tease, then it's not a leak. Under your argument, just about any tease from any developer or publisher could be considered a leak. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 14:01, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-:'''Oppose''' the removal of the two per above. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 11:00, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-::Intentional or not, revealing info before a formal announcement is a leak and should be counted as such. '''Oppose'''. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 11:03, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-:::To reiterate what I said above, something being teased or shown off without a formal announcement is not always a leak. In a recent example, the Xbox Game Pass twitter account recently posted an Among Us gif. Was this a leak about the game coming to the service because there was no formal announcement? No, this was a tease. Similarly, Nintendo teased the new mode in the advertisement. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 14:33, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-'''Oppose''' [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 14:13, December 17, 2020 (EST)
-==Bonus DLC character==
-Piranha Plant's code is 70050000008501, Joker is 70050000008502, and so on until Byleth, the last character in the first Fighter's Pass. This is then followed by the Mii costume of Rex from Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which is labelled with the code 70050000008507 and is given as a bonus for purchasing Fighter's Pass 1.
-The same applies for Fighter's Pass 2. Min Min, the first character, has the code 70050000018967 and the numbers again ascend chronologically up to Pyra/Mythra, who have the code 70050000018970. The two unannounced fighters have the codes 70050000018971 and  70050000018972 respectively. But, curiously, the bonus Mii costume that comes with the pass is listed with 70050000018974. Basically, the code ending with 73 isn't used[[Special:Contributions/76.224.228.130|76.224.228.130]] 00:00, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
-:This page is for ''confirmed'' leaks. Unconfirmed leaks are covered on the rumors page, and what you're referring to is at [[List of rumors#URL String Theory]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:18, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
-== Mario Golf: Star Rush Spirit Board event ==
-First Leak in a While, a Twitter User called [https://twitter.com/wootton120 wooton120] [https://twitter.com/wootton120/status/1422800702011813889?s=20 Found a Mario Golf: Super Rushed] Spirit board even on [https://twitter.com/wootton120/status/1422801599538282499 Smash World] [[User:AgedofallStrings|AgedofallStrings]] ([[User talk:AgedofallStrings|talk]]) 03:04, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:Is it really a leak if there's [https://www-aaaba-lp1-hac.cdn.nintendo.net/en-US/bee9a8c3/index.html always an event dropped Tuesday night (ET)]? @SmashBrosJP probably just forgot to schedule the tweets for it. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 06:02, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
-== remove Sora Leak ==
-its so obviously a coincidence, there's definitely posts out there like this for every day possible. theres no way of verifying it and its highly unlikely someone with that authority would just leak that info for no reason [[User:RSM|<span style="color: #714EFF">'''RSM'''</span>]] [[File:RSMSignatureHead1.png|20px|Banjo_%26_Kazooie_(SSBU)]][[File:RSMSignatureHead2.png|20px|Steve_(SSBU)]] ([[User talk:RSM|talk]]) 13:54, October 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:While it's certainly likely to be a coincidence, it's not "obviously" one. Like it or not, real leaks do happen, and while it's certainly less credible than other similar 4chan "leaks" due to having less information, I think that the stir it caused within the community makes up for its sketchy origins in terms of notability as a rumour... but most certainly not as a "leak." So I moved it to [[List of rumors]] instead. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 14:50, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-::Coincidence or not, it was 100% correct, and thus fits more under this page. I'm not saying it can't be a coincidence, but to say it's "obviously" one sounds more like denial than anything else. I also want to add that it specifically mentioned using music in the presentation instead of the game, and Simple and Clean is only in the presentation, not the game. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 15:13, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Mate, this page is only for 100% confirmed true leaks. You can't say "coincidence or not" when coincidences are not permitted on this page. Being a ''possible'' leak that ''could'' just be an interesting coincidence '''does not''' qualify a post for this page, any admin will tell you that. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 15:53, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-::The fact that the leaker specified their job lets us know that this is the only thing they could leak, and supports the credibility by giving an actual source. They can't leak any more characters because  Sora was the last one. They couldn't leak the mii costumes because none of them were disney. They couldn't leak Sora's moveset because they're not a game developer. A lack of info is a terrible reason to call this a coincidence when we go by the circumstance. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 16:23, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-:::"A lack of info is a terrible reason?" Are you kidding? There's too much of a reason to NOT believe it was real. I'm not convinced either way, but you're being a bit too optimistic here. Of course the story is believable, but for all we know it's just as likely a skilled, logical, think-it-through liar came up with this crap; and in case you didn't know about how this stuff works, hundreds of these text-based "leaks" appear on message boards every week, so as RSM stated a lucky guess is possible enough such that we can't dismiss the case one way or another. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 17:23, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-::::If you and RSM are really that insistent that there is a possibility of this being a coincidence, the best compromise would be to keep the Sora leak/rumor on both pages in the same way Vergeben and Gemastu are. Putting it solely on the rumors page when the info is 100% correct just sounds asinine. Even then, I think putting it on the rumors page at all isn't a great idea when "widely considered to be a coincidence" is a total lie. I only see you and RSM calling it one; everywhere else I've seen post-reveal realizes that there is a much higher chance of it being legitimate. Pre-reveal, sure, it could be brushed off as a coincidence, but post-reveal, there's not enough evidence to suggest it's a coincidence. Most of the leaks on this page that aren't done by Nintendo are text-only (only exceptions I can think of are the ESRB leak and the 7-11 leaks), with the only difference between those and this being that they'd leak more characters, something that isn't possible with Sora being the last one. This is what I mean by a lack of info is a terrible reason to call it a coincidence; there's not much to go over to begin with. The universally accepted leaks that leaked actual movesets to my knowledge were the Piranha Plant leaks. While Sora's moveset wasn't leaked, I want to stress again that specifying that the music (Simple and Clean) was for the presentation instead of the game adds some credibility to the statement. [[Special:Contributions/68.4.176.97|68.4.176.97]] 18:44, October 17, 2021 (EDT)
-In light of a chat with Omega Tyrant on the Discord server and [[Special:Diff/1623620|the description of this edit of his]], I hereby withdraw my case. Still split on the leak being real, but I do admit there were aspects of it that I wasn't considering in the middle of this debate. Although FYI, it should be noted that I and RSM are far from the only people who would prefer to treat the posts as indeterminate; you'll discover that on the [[SW:DISCORD|Discord server]]. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 15:07, October 20, 2021 (EDT)
-== Chris Niosi Leak? ==
-Chris Niosi was the initial voice of Male Byleth but was recast and patched out of both Fire Emblem Three Houses and Fire Emblem Heroes shortly after release as a result of violating his NDA (along with other allegations raised against him at the time). The comment that got Niosi fired was something along the lines of "I'm voicing a character who will end up in Smash Bros the game is coming out soon" Should this be taken as a legitimate leak or was this just wishful thinking on Niosi's part that ended up being true? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cBVHRhF3uLcNVZJ6B2s-kkrtrCRgLN9TJ5zs7nP4stk/edit [[User:Skibot99|Skibot99]] ([[User talk:Skibot99|talk]]) 15:36, January 18, 2023 (EST)
-:I'd say it was wishful thinking. I don't know if a voice actor would know their character's getting in Smash that far in advance and looking at the tone of the Google Doc he was just being cocky. [[User:123VideoGamerNinja|123VideoGamerNinja]] ([[User talk:123VideoGamerNinja|talk]]) 14:24, January 19, 2023 (EST)
-== Regarding "Jane" ==
-Regarding the section about the "Jane" text leak. There have been several additions, recently and in the past, of speculation that it's connected to Ann Takamaki. I wanted to point out that any such connection is purely speculative and not supported by evidence in the data. The internal naming conventions in ''Ultimate'' refer to all of the Phantom Thieves by their codenames ("panther" in this case) and make no mention of "Ann" with any spelling, nor does the game use single-letter prefixes like "J" to group data. There is nothing connecting "Jane" to anything in the final game with any reasonable certainty.
-I do accept the possibility that it's connected to Ann; however, it is pure conjecture, and no more definitive than any other theory. On that basis, I am happy to leave in the article a mention of the theory, but without the definitive wording currently present. [[User:Dr. HyperCake|Dr. HyperCake]] ([[User talk:Dr. HyperCake|talk]]) 20:28, January 25, 2024 (EST)
-== About the supposed “Great Cave Offensive Leak” ==
-Should that stay on there? Because it doesn’t strike me as a leak. More like an intentional tease. (Reposted because I forgot to sign and didn’t notice till after the fact.) [[User:Operationgamer17|Operationgamer17]] ([[User talk:Operationgamer17|talk]]) 5:10 PM, May 18, 2024 (EST)
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