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I'm no pro with the wiki code and can't find a way to edit the grid to make it changeable so it's possible to look at each parameter individually. Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_running_events <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 20:33, June 24, | I'm no pro with the wiki code and can't find a way to edit the grid to make it changeable so it's possible to look at each parameter individually. Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_running_events <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 20:33, June 24, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
== Why I desagree with this page's deletion== | == Why I desagree with this page's deletion== | ||
With the recent increase in numbers for Melee since 2013 and with Smash 4 release, many tournament pages are adding entrance records for each game. This page could serve as main reference for fact checking those records while keeping track of overall growth of the scene across many events. | With the recent increase in numbers for Melee since 2013 and with Smash 4 release, many tournament pages are adding entrance records for each game. This page could serve as main reference for fact checking those records while keeping track of overall growth of the scene across many events. | ||
I do agree some of the records are hard to keep track, or maybe are not even needed, like "largest Super Smash Bros. for 3DS tournaments", but still, I think at least Melee and Smash 4 deserve this treatment. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 21:14, June 24, | I do agree some of the records are hard to keep track, or maybe are not even needed, like "largest Super Smash Bros. for 3DS tournaments", but still, I think at least Melee and Smash 4 deserve this treatment. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 21:14, June 24, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
:First of all, sign with four tildes, not three. Four adds a timestamp, which is necessary so we can tell when a post is made. | :First of all, sign with four tildes, not three. Four adds a timestamp, which is necessary so we can tell when a post is made. | ||
:Second of all, new posts go on the bottom. | :Second of all, new posts go on the bottom. | ||
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The information is already detailed on each event page, but featuring the winner of those tournaments could also highlight the dominance/consistency of a player across important events. Here's an example, for the overall section | The information is already detailed on each event page, but featuring the winner of those tournaments could also highlight the dominance/consistency of a player across important events. Here's an example, for the overall section | ||
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!Rank!!Name!!Date!!Entrants!!Champion | !Rank!!Name!!Date!!Entrants!!Champion | ||
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|'''10'''||[[Pound 4]]||January 16th-18th, 2010||347||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | |'''10'''||[[Pound 4]]||January 16th-18th, 2010||347||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | ||
|} <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 19:22, July 22, | |} <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/PFFP|contribs]]) 19:22, July 22, 2015 (CDT)</small> | ||
:I think this would be an excellent addition, actually, and it lessens the need to have to click each page to see who won. I '''support''' this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT) | :I think this would be an excellent addition, actually, and it lessens the need to have to click each page to see who won. I '''support''' this. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 19:26, 22 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
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|'''3'''||[[EVO 2014]]||07/11-13, 2014||970||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | |'''3'''||[[EVO 2014]]||07/11-13, 2014||970||{{Sm|Mango|USA}} | ||
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:[[ | :[[mediawikiwiki:Help:Sorting#Specifying a sort key|this is a thing you can do]] [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:54, 28 July 2015 (EDT) | ||
== By year... == | == By year... == | ||
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::'''Largest by year''' | ::'''Largest by year''' | ||
::'''2015''' | ::'''2015''' | ||
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!Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | !Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | ||
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::'''2014''' | ::'''2014''' | ||
::{|class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" | ::{|class="wikitable collapsible uncollapsed" style="text-align:center" | ||
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!Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | !Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | ||
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::'''2013''' | ::'''2013''' | ||
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!Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | !Rank!!Name!!Game!!Entrants!!Winner | ||
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:*You say that the largest Smash 3DS tournament ([[Umebura 9]], with 192 entrants) is bigger than the largest Smash 64 tournament ([[Apex 2015]], with 187 entrants)... however, I can just as well say that there have been more 100+ entrant tournaments for Smash 64 (at least six of them in the past, with a seventh one coming soon in [[GENESIS 3]]). | :*You say that the largest Smash 3DS tournament ([[Umebura 9]], with 192 entrants) is bigger than the largest Smash 64 tournament ([[Apex 2015]], with 187 entrants)... however, I can just as well say that there have been more 100+ entrant tournaments for Smash 64 (at least six of them in the past, with a seventh one coming soon in [[GENESIS 3]]). | ||
:*The reason why I referred to [[Smasher talk:Simna ibn Sind#Top Pro vs. Pro|this talk page]] was to demonstrate that wording on pages is not always literal (since, after all, wikis are editable). As I've stated before, the creator of this page as well as the one who wrote the sentence in question stated that 3DS tournaments probably don't need to be listed. (I'm not specifically using this as my basis for being against not including 3DS, just that you can't always go by wording alone on articles.) | :*The reason why I referred to [[Smasher talk:Simna ibn Sind#Top Pro vs. Pro|this talk page]] was to demonstrate that wording on pages is not always literal (since, after all, wikis are editable). As I've stated before, the creator of this page as well as the one who wrote the sentence in question stated that 3DS tournaments probably don't need to be listed. (I'm not specifically using this as my basis for being against not including 3DS, just that you can't always go by wording alone on articles.) | ||
:*Yes, while [[List of national tournaments]] is quite similar to this one, I don't see why that means we have to remove the list from there as well. There have been four 100+ man tournaments in Smash 3DS's lifespan, and all of them are listed on that page because they were national tournaments. This page just focuses on tournament size (which more often than not, correlates to whether a tournament is a national, but not always; for example, [[Northeastern Smash Attack 2]] and [http://smashboards.com/rankings/bust-3-melee-singles-pro-bracket-pools.10078/event BUST 3] both had over 200 entrants, but neither of those tournaments had anyone who was considered Top 20 at the time, so they're considered to be regionals). It's similar to the reason why Smash 64 only has 5 tournaments listed instead of 10: there just haven't been enough decently-sized tournaments to extend it to 10. As for [[Banned | :*Yes, while [[List of national tournaments]] is quite similar to this one, I don't see why that means we have to remove the list from there as well. There have been four 100+ man tournaments in Smash 3DS's lifespan, and all of them are listed on that page because they were national tournaments. This page just focuses on tournament size (which more often than not, correlates to whether a tournament is a national, but not always; for example, [[Northeastern Smash Attack 2]] and [http://smashboards.com/rankings/bust-3-melee-singles-pro-bracket-pools.10078/event BUST 3] both had over 200 entrants, but neither of those tournaments had anyone who was considered Top 20 at the time, so they're considered to be regionals). It's similar to the reason why Smash 64 only has 5 tournaments listed instead of 10: there just haven't been enough decently-sized tournaments to extend it to 10. As for [[Banned stages]], that page and this page don't really have anything in common outside of both being related to competitive play, so I don't really think that's a fair point. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 00:57, 12 December 2015 (EST) | ||
I fully '''oppose''' this on the grounds that Smash 3DS doesn't really have a notably big scene, at least compared to its Wii U counterpart. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:11, 12 December 2015 (EST) | I fully '''oppose''' this on the grounds that Smash 3DS doesn't really have a notably big scene, at least compared to its Wii U counterpart. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:11, 12 December 2015 (EST) | ||
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Regarding Melee and Smash 4. If we come to a point where we get consistent 500+ envents more often, I think it would be ok to expand the list for each game from '''Top 10''' to '''Top 15'''. Melee is probably already there, but Smash 4 isn't quite. This is a suggestion for 2016 by the way. [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]]) 22:05, 16 May 2016 (EDT) | Regarding Melee and Smash 4. If we come to a point where we get consistent 500+ envents more often, I think it would be ok to expand the list for each game from '''Top 10''' to '''Top 15'''. Melee is probably already there, but Smash 4 isn't quite. This is a suggestion for 2016 by the way. [[User:PFFP|PFFP]] ([[User talk:PFFP|talk]]) 22:05, 16 May 2016 (EDT) | ||
== Upadating the "Update Rule" == | == Upadating the "Update Rule" == | ||
{{proposed update}} | |||
So, after some consideration on the matter of the ''Update Rule'' for this page - '''allowing tournaments to be added before registration closes, but limiting the number of updates until registration closes''' -, I think it's best for the page that we don't add a tournament ''at all'' until registration closes and numbers are final. | So, after some consideration on the matter of the ''Update Rule'' for this page - '''allowing tournaments to be added before registration closes, but limiting the number of updates until registration closes''' -, I think it's best for the page that we don't add a tournament ''at all'' until registration closes and numbers are final. | ||
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