Editing Talk:List of Namco universes

Any other tweaks people would suggest before I mainspace this? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:13, 11 March 2015 (EDT)

Last bump, otherwise this is happening later today. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 13:46, 12 March 2015 (EDT)

== Namco Museum ==

Do you think it's possible for the ''Namco Museum'' universe to be added? The games are filled with Namco proprieties and games that many have appeared in ''SSB4''? [[User:Juju1995|Juju1995]] ([[User talk:Juju1995|talk]]) 18:16, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:I would say no. Smash doesn't contain anything from Namco Museum, they just both contain Pac-Man, Dig Dug, etc. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|<font color="brown">a turkey</font>]]! Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  18:29, 2 November 2015 (EST)

==Dig Dug, Galaxian, and Rally-X==

Example 1: {{uv|Clu Clu Land}} has its own article, and its a Item-based universe. 
Example 2: {{uv|Rhythm Heaven}} has its own article, and its an enemy based universe.
:While I would agree, perhaps you should take a look at [[SW:TALK|this]] before you do too much more. As other others have their own pages, so should these. Though I don't think a "split" is necessary, as Pac-Man is still on this page. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 18:22, 23 January 2016 (EST)
::Please read through that article. I '''Support''' making articles for those universes. [[User:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:red">Scizor</span>]][[User_talk:ScizorSteelix|<span style="color:gray">Steelix</span>]] 18:38, 23 January 2016 (EST)

== Galaxian/Galaga ==

Given that is has an item, shouldn't the Galaxian/Galaga verse get its own page? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 07:30, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

== shouldn't Mappy be classed as a major universe? ==

with Mappy being the source of Pac-Man's Up-B and one of his bonus fruit, I feel it is a major universe. --[[User:BubzieBobkat|What could possibly go wrong?]] ([[User talk:BubzieBobkat|talk]]) 07:52, 8 January 2019 (EST)

== Move ==

Recommended move this page to '''List of third-party universes''', it's more reasonable to divide the universe into Nintendo and Third-party than Namco and other.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 02:54, 8 February 2019 (EST)
:Well, the reason why a Namco page was made in the first place is due to the fact that there are so many series and games created or owned Namco that were represented in ''Smash 4'', more than any other company even. In my opinion, I feel like we should keep the Namco page. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 14:42, 10 February 2019 (EST)
::When madeing this page, only Namco has minor universes in Smash, now there are other third-party companies also have minor universes. There are 6 series, if it's all universe, other companies add up to 18 series. [[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 04:35, 11 February 2019 (EST)
:::True, but even now, Namco still has way more of their IPs represented in Smash than other companies. Konami and Capcom both have 3 series each (Excluding ''Getsu Fuma Den'' for the former), Sega has 4 (Excluding ''After Burner''), and Square Enix still only has 1. And there are the 3rd-party universes from non-playable companies such as ''Rayman'', ''Shantae'', ''BIT.TRIP'', and ''Shovel Knight'', which are the only representations of their respective companies. Not to mention that Namco has pretty much become the main co-developer of the ''Smash Bros.'' series moving forward. Honestly, having a page for 3rd-party universes where about 50% of the entries are from the same company would make it feel like a mess, so I still say it's best to leave Namco with its own page. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 22:00, 11 February 2019 (EST)
::::I think a page with about 95% of the entries are from the Nintendo games, There are six third-party games on the page also make it feel like a mess.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 00:27, 12 February 2019 (EST)
:::::Well, ''Super Smash Bros.'' is supposed to be a Nintendo All-Star fighter, after all. Heck, the first game's Japanese name had the subtitle "''Nintendo All-Star''". So there's atleast a reason why 95% of the entries on the "List of minor universes" page are Nintendo-owned. Not to mention that, when the page was first created, only 2 third-party series (And a few debatable ones like {{uv|Fatal Frame}} or ''Culdcept'') were minor universes. And even when stuff like {{uv|Virtua Fighter}} or {{uv|Monster Hunter}} came via DLC Mii Costumes, they certainly weren't enough to warrant a full third-party page. And just to remind you again: Namco has too many IPs represented in Smash to just put them in any "List of universes" page other than their own, so I really don't see how we should put them in a third-party universes page rather than their own. [[User:SuperSmashTurtles|SuperSmashTurtles]] ([[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|talk]]) 14:49, 12 February 2019 (EST)
::::::I agree that this page should stay; Pac-Man is a unique case in ''Smash'' because his character is really a representation of Namco as a whole (as opposed to other third-party characters, who mostly represent their own games). The minor third-party representation is small enough that they feel fine going with the Nintendo games on the "minor universes" page, while this works more as a supplement to Pac-Man's appearance in ''Smash''. [[User:DryKirby64|DryKirby64]] ([[User talk:DryKirby64|talk]]) 18:21, 12 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::If we add other companies, it will not affect the entries of Namco, even can create a secondary classification for Namco. Since can put other companies on a page of almost all Nintendo, why can't put it on a page of 50% Namco?--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 22:07, 12 February 2019 (EST)
::::::::I believe this page should stay, as unlike the namco music, which was classified as pacman universe ingame, these are actually considered their own universes, but because their are so many simiar universes with about similar tiny representation, i feel we hould just keep the list in this page and not move it elsewhere[[User:Xtra3678|Xtra3678]] ([[User talk:Xtra3678|talk]]) 08:14, 15 February 2019 (EST)

:Now the all other third-party minor universes has surpassed Namco's, it would be better to put all the third-party universes on one page. Isn't it strange that Nintendo and other companies share one page while Namco palace has its own?--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 01:29, November 27, 2019 (EST)
::Yeah, there's now a lot more reason to have a separate third-party universe page with how much has been added. In ''Smash 4'' there was more of a case for separating it, because the Namco properties outnumbered every other third-party series, but now there's a much greater variety and it'd simplify things a lot to have them all together. I'm in favor of merging them all in. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 15:48, November 27, 2019 (EST)

Alternatively, we can re-merge this back into "List of minor universes", stop separating out 3rd-party minor series altogether (even on that page) and forever kill off semantics arguments about Baten Kaitos, Shovel Knight, Rayman, and the many other cases of gray area. It's becoming clear that any method of sub-dividing that page's content leaves weird, unintuitive corner cases when we can simply avoid the problem by not sub-dividing it at all. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:39, November 27, 2019 (EST)
:Considering the number of minor universes, I don't think it's a good idea.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 06:07, November 28, 2019 (EST)
::The page will be long regardless. I don't think that's a reason not to at this point. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:27, November 29, 2019 (EST)
:::For this very long and growing page, I don't think there's any reason not to split if can. As for disputes, it seems can be solved, as long as there is a rule about how to divide.--[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 23:43, November 29, 2019 (EST)
:The minor third-party universes are 47 now, more than half of the first-party. With the Vol. 2 coming, it can be predicted that there will be more  in the future, so move is more and more meaningful. And the same question: Why does Nintendo share a page with another company and Namco has its own? --[[User:Capstalker|Capstalker]] ([[User talk:Capstalker|talk]]) 10:01, February 3, 2020 (EST)
:I agree with Capstalker. There should be a general third party page, both to keep the Nintendo page down for as long as possible, to better organize all the third parties in one place, and because there really is no reason for Namco to have its own page to itself. The split may have made sense at one point, but it makes no sense now.[[User:Super Smash Lover|Super Smash Lover]] ([[User talk:Super Smash Lover|talk]]) 18:20, March 30, 2020 (EDT)

== Merge ==

Now to resolve a bit of an edit conflict, let's not make any abrupt changes until a consensus is reached. Now that we have a list of minor 3rd party universes page, I '''support''' merging this with it. SNK also has a ton of minor universes so it makes sense to merge this. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 20:13, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
:Even if it's a bit premature, I support the merge as well. SNK has a near-equivalent amount of minor universes to Namco, so it feels appropriate to move this in. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 20:14, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
:I support merging. [[User:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:blue">'''Acgamer28'''</span>]] 23:08, May 9, 2020 (EDT)
:The only reason why I opposed this in the past is because there's so many universes from Namco (which there are 25 of), and the "List of minor universes" page had over 100 universes to begin with, even without the Namco stuff. However, now that the first/second-party stuff and the third-party stuff are split into two pages, my opinion has shifted to '''neutral'''. I still think there're reasons to keep the Namco universes page, but I wouldn't really mind either if all of them get lumped with the other third-party stuff. [[File:SmashTurtlesSig1.png|20px]][[User:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: green;">'''SuperSmashTurtles'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:SuperSmashTurtles|<span style="color: lightgreen;">'''Turtle Tribe'''</span>]][[File:SmashTurtlesSig2.png|20px]] 02:22, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
:The way I planned to do it was like the KoF universe where it has it's own dedicated section. [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<span style="font-size:12pt"><font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font></span>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font>]]'''</span> 02:24, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
::By the by, if Namco stuff gets moved there, I'd also want to move ''Baten Kaitos'' (and ''Culdcept'') to a "Multiple" or "Uncategorized" section. They don't really fully belong to the categories they're listed under right now. ~ [[User:Serena Strawberry|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Serena Strawberry'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Serena Strawberry|talk]]) 12:25, May 10, 2020 (EDT)
I suppport as shown above. [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue;">S3AHAWK</span>]][[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]][[File:S3AHAWK_signature_icon_2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style="color: Red;">talk</span>'']]) 19:36, May 17, 2020 (EDT)
:'''Support'''. Now that the third-party universes page has been properly separated there is no real reason to keep this on its own. --[[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 04:23, May 21, 2020 (EDT)

== Delete ==

Well, if it's been properly merged then I suppose it's time to take this article out behind the barn. I '''support''' its deletion. [[User:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:blue">'''Acgamer'''</span>]][[User talk:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:red">'''28'''</span>]][[File:Acgamer28SignatureHead.png|20px]] 00:50, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

^Beat me to it. Aaaaaanyway this ''was'' merged without warning soooooo... anyone who has final thoughts please discuss now. [[File:001Toad.jpg|20px]] <span style="text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #18F">'''[[User:OmegaToad64|<font color="blue">OmegαToαd64</font>]] • [[User talk:OmegaToad64|<small><font color="springgreen">the Best Kαrter</font></small>]]'''</span> 04:16, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

I am ok with it being deleted because this page wasn't needed since the List of 3RD Party universes was created. [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 16:33, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

'''Neutral''' I'm not too sure if should be deleted or if it shouldn't. [[User:Son Daniel|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel|talk page]]) 17:26, May 23, 2020 (EDT)
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	'''Neutral''' I'm not too sure if should be deleted or if it shouldn't. [[User:Son Daniel\|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png\|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png\|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel\|talk page]]) 17:26, May 23, 2020 (EDT)		'''Neutral''' I'm not too sure if should be deleted or if it shouldn't. [[User:Son Daniel\|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:red;">SonDaniel</span>]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead1.png\|20px]][[File:SonDanielSignatureHead2.png\|20px]] ([[User talk:Son Daniel\|talk page]]) 17:26, May 23, 2020 (EDT)

	I for it for the time being, but we might have to wait and see how many 3rd parties will get spirits and mii costumes. With this being the last lot of DLC, everybody everybody will be looking to reduce their Smash Bacon number. [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6\|talk]]) 04:29, May 27, 2020 (EDT)
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