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::There's also [[Super Lion 4]] though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:09, 23 January 2016 (EST)
::There's also [[Super Lion 4]] though. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:09, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:::'''Support to get rid of it as its own page; whether it's deleted, redirected, or disambigged idrc''' <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:25, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:::'''Support to get rid of it as its own page; whether it's deleted, redirected, or disambigged idrc''' <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:25, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:::<s>'''Decidedly neutral''': On one hand, this page sticks out because it is the only G&W game without move representation. On the other, it is a stage element...here is a brief list of stage elements that have pages only because they are stage elements: [[Fish]], [[F-Zero Racers]], [[Ultimate Chimera]], [[5-Volt]], [[Peckish Aristocrab]], [[Shellcreeper]], [[Sidestepper]], [[Pidgit]], [[Birdo]], [[Shy Guy]]. But then also, those are all stage ''hazards'' while this is more of a stage ''transformation'' or ''phase''. In short, I am not really sure what I think about this.</s> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:37, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:::'''Decidedly neutral''': On one hand, this page sticks out because it is the only G&W game without move representation. On the other, it is a stage element...here is a brief list of stage elements that have pages only because they are stage elements: [[Fish]], [[F-Zero Racers]], [[Ultimate Chimera]], [[5-Volt]], [[Peckish Aristocrab]], [[Shellcreeper]], [[Sidestepper]], [[Pidgit]], [[Birdo]], [[Shy Guy]]. But then also, those are all stage ''hazards'' while this is more of a stage ''transformation'' or ''phase''. In short, I am not really sure what I think about this. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 22:37, 23 January 2016 (EST)
::::Do we have a page on Rock Candy Mines? World 1-2 from SMB?
::::Do we have a page on Rock Candy Mines? World 1-2 from SMB?
::::Stage locations are merged with the stage. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:42, 23 January 2016 (EST)
::::Stage locations are merged with the stage. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:42, 23 January 2016 (EST)
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::::That's not necesary though, we already have the universe pages for each separate universe, and they list all games in a certain series that are represented in Smash. The [[Game & Watch (universe)]] page already has all that information. [[File:TepigSprite.png]][[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 15:59, 24 January 2016 (EST)
::::That's not necesary though, we already have the universe pages for each separate universe, and they list all games in a certain series that are represented in Smash. The [[Game & Watch (universe)]] page already has all that information. [[File:TepigSprite.png]][[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 15:59, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:::::'''Neutral, leaning toward oppose''' per Serpent's explanation. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:28, 30 January 2016 (EST)
:::::'''Neutral, leaning toward oppose''' per Serpent's explanation. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 17:28, 30 January 2016 (EST)
::::::'''Oppose''' Don't merge it. As Serpent said, it's a stage element. However, unlike what he said, it is kind of a hazard (guys with chairs knock you back) so I find it reasonable to keep. [[User:SuneEnough|~SuneEnough]] ([[User talk:SuneEnough|talk]]) 12:05, 4 February 2016 (EST)
::::::'''Oppose''' Don't merge it. As Serpent said, it's a stage element. However, unlike what he said, it is kind of a hazard (guys with chairs knock you back) so I find it reasonable to keep.
 
I move to '''oppose'''. If we have pages on special kinds of platforms (like [[Pidgit]] and [[Wii Balance Board]]), then why not full stage transformations? I will most likely be suggesting a split of Mushroomy Kingdom (for Rock Candy Mines) in the future. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 21:04, 4 February 2016 (EST)
 
Yeah,big time '''neutral''' here. Both sides have great points. [[User talk:Penro|Please leave a message for]] [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']] [[User talk:Penro|when you see something wrong I did.]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 21:08, 4 February 2016 (EST)
:Changing to '''oppose'''. Despite its rather peculiar presence on the site, it's a pretty well-written article, and parroting Serpent, pages revolving around stage transformations would be a pretty good addition to the wiki in general (I can think of a couple off the top of my head right now that I'd love to see get their own articles). [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 21:49, 4 February 2016 (EST)
::I think if we did pages for transformations it would just get confusing. I mean, first of all it's already weird to have to go to a bunch of different pages to find out information on the one stage (or redundant if we keep all of the information on the main page). And secondly, where do we draw the line? I mean, Super Mario Maker technically has transformations that just don't change the layout. So we only do stuff that changes the layout? Well, Super Mario Maker also has different layouts - which, while with larger gaps, functions nearly identically to World 1-1 vs. World 1-2. So yeah, I'd big-time oppose any of that splitting proposals. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  21:55, 4 February 2016 (EST)
:::Stage transformations don't warrant their own articles generally. This one (barely) does because it's got more to it than that with the move, sticker and trophy involved. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:59, 4 February 2016 (EST)
::::If it has a trophy, why isn't it listed on the article yet as with other trophies? [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 22:00, 4 February 2016 (EST)
:::::Because other than tagging it for this discussion, it's only been edited once in the last 3 years? The trophy is [[List of SSB4 trophies (Game & Watch series)#Lion|in SSB4]]. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 22:03, 4 February 2016 (EST)
::::::Huh, well in that case, depending on how things turn out with this page, I'll add the trophy to it. [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 22:04, 4 February 2016 (EST)
Serpent made a good point, so I'm changing my vote to '''oppose'''. [[File:TepigSprite.png]][[User:Tepig|Tepig]] ([[User talk:Tepig|talk]]) 22:07, 4 February 2016 (EST)

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