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| The trivia section says "Her inclusion also makes Animal Crossing the only franchise introduced in Smash 4 to feature multiple playable characters", but Animal Crossing wasn't introduced in Smash 4 - it was actually introduced in Brawl, albeit with only the Smashville stage. I think that should be fixed. [[User:Mudd|Mudd]] ([[User talk:Mudd|talk]]) 21:10, 16 September 2018 (EDT) | | The trivia section says "Her inclusion also makes Animal Crossing the only franchise introduced in Smash 4 to feature multiple playable characters", but Animal Crossing wasn't introduced in Smash 4 - it was actually introduced in Brawl, albeit with only the Smashville stage. I think that should be fixed. [[User:Mudd|Mudd]] ([[User talk:Mudd|talk]]) 21:10, 16 September 2018 (EDT) |
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| ==Add to Trivia== | | ==Add to Trivia=== |
| Isabelle is the first, and so far only character the end a Direct for Smash Ultimate to not be a villain, as Ridley and K. Rool were the previous ones to finish off with. Should this be added to the trivia for her? --[[User:Solgalillie|Solgalillie]] ([[User talk:Solgalillie|talk]]) 13:36, 18 September 2018 (EDT) | | Isabelle is the first, and so far only character the end a Direct for Smash Ultimate to not be a villain, as Ridley and K. Rool were the previous ones to finish off with. Should this be added to the trivia for her? --[[User:Solgalillie|Solgalillie]] ([[User talk:Solgalillie|talk]]) 13:36, 18 September 2018 (EDT) |
| :No, as that counts as both volatile information and complexity. Please read [[SW:TRIVIA]]. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:51, 18 September 2018 (EDT) | | :No, as that counts as both volatile information and complexity. Please read [[SW:TRIVIA]]. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 17:51, 18 September 2018 (EDT) |
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| == Should we have a “Differences from Villager” section? == | | == Should we have a “Differences from Villager” section? == |
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| While I’m aware that Isabelle is on the upper end of the semi-clone spectrum, since she’s a newcomer, I feel like it might be important to highlight what’s different about her. I already have a base template commented out <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:184.181.102.188|184.181.102.188]] ([[User talk:184.181.102.188|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/184.181.102.188|contribs]]) 19:11, January 16, 2019</small> | | While I’m aware that Isabelle is on the upper end of the semi-clone spectrum, since she’s a newcomer, I feel like it might be important to highlight what’s different about her. I already have a base template commented out {{unsigned|184.181.102.188|19:11, January 16, 2019}} |
| :Since both Lucas and Wolf in Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate did not get a "Difference from xxx" section, I don't think Isabelle should, either. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 19:26, 16 January 2019 (EST) | | :Since both Lucas and Wolf in Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate did not get a "Difference from xxx" section, I don't think Isabelle should, either. [[User:SugarCookie420|SugarCookie420]] ([[User talk:SugarCookie420|talk]]) 19:26, 16 January 2019 (EST) |
| ::Neither Lucas, Wolf, nor Isabelle are really "clones" of Ness, Fox, or Villager, so they don't really get the same "Differences from [character]" treatment that other clones get. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 21:01, 16 January 2019 (EST)
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| :::Would a “Similarities to Villager” Section work then, or nah. While they aren’t really clones, I’d say that it is pretty important to point out the similarities they have. For example, a lot of Isabelle’s moveset is cloned from.Villager’s, so it would be helpful to know which ones are fully cloned and which ones are only partially cloned [[Special:Contributions/184.181.102.188|184.181.102.188]] 01:10, 17 January 2019 (EST)
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| I think only echo fighters should get Differences from sections, since they are directly based on another fighter. --[[User:Tuffingtons|Tuffingtons]] ([[User talk:Tuffingtons|talk]]) 14:19, 18 January 2019 (EST)
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| :While Isabelle does retain SOME of Villager's moves, she really doesn't have enough similarities to have a section dedicated to them. She is as comparable to Villager as much as Mario is compared to Luigi. [[User:Little Warrior|Little Warrior Was Here.]] ([[User talk:Little Warrior|talk]]) 15:39, 5 March 2019 (EST)
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| According to Toonami she shares 66% of animations with villager while Luigi only shares 44%. I feel if they share more than 60% a diffrences section is justified. [[User:Skibot99|Skibot99]] ([[User talk:Skibot99|talk]]) 22:19, March 18, 2019 (EDT)
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| Given that most Isabelle players seem to also play Villager and vice versa, I think it's important to list their differences/similarities, regardless of what arbitrary rule there is about it. Isabelle is a semi-clone; Lucas and Wolf are psuedo-clones. Completely different story. If you still think she shouldn't get that section, that's fine, but imo Lucas and Wolf aren't really worth mentioning in such a discussion. The differences/similarities should be covered in her attributes section, at least. [[User:Veledwin1|Veledwin1]] ([[User talk:Veledwin1|talk]]) 08:09, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
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| Coming back to this, I added in a “Differences from Villager” section because apparently, multiple Villager and Isabelle mains swap between the two. Plus, two other users who came in way after this discussion initially ended suggested to add it in. We might need to restart discussion now, especially since the forst one was before the clone page rewrite. [[User:Lou Cena|Lou Cena]] ([[User talk:Lou Cena|talk]]) 13:05, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Competitive play section ==
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| Both of the players currently listed in Villager's "In Competitive Play" section also play Isabelle. Should they be listed on her page as well? [[User:Veledwin1|Veledwin1]] ([[User talk:Veledwin1|talk]]) 08:13, May 18, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Bocchi smasher page ==
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| A while back a player by the name of Lily 'Bocchi' (don't know her last name) beat Ally in a local. How come she doesn't have her own smasher page? While the other prodigies' ZeRo talked about, do have their own smash page. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Chitoge63|Chitoge63]] ([[User talk:Chitoge63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chitoge63|contribs]]) 08:56, September 25, 2020 (EDT)</small>
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| :Being talked about as a prodigy by Zero wouldn't be enough to qualify as notable for a page. That said, I believe she haw notable enough results so its probably just that no one has taken the time to make her a page. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 11:14, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::I had made a draft of her page in the past, but in the end I decided to scrap it, mainly because she had stated she didn't want a page since it could potentially be a target for her then-ongoing bullying. Even when that subsided she didn't want to be associated with the ''Smash'' community anymore, so I thought it would be best to respect her wishes. <s>While [[SW:OWNERSHIP|SmashWiki states that no one has ownership of pages]], I believe it's different when the actual page haven't been published to the mainspace yet.</s> [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:27, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::Furthermore, I believe that aside from the Ally win her notability is dubious at best; she had a select few mediocre regional placements, but aside from that everything else isn't great. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 11:31, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
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| ::::Regarding the first point about Bocchi not wanting to be associated with the community, this is irrelevant, as not creating a smasher article on those grounds would be a blatant violation of [[SW:OWN]] and [[SW:NOT]], and the temporary prevention of said article from being created was a pretty clear breech of policy. Regardless, as has been pointed out, she is most likely not notable enough to warrant creating a smasher article. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 12:03, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
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| :::::Yeah I was looking mostly at locals. She did have a number of top 10 placements at 100+ entrant locals plus had a decent result at return to yoshis Island. But I can see the otherside as well. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:17, September 25, 2020 (EDT)
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| Would Bocchi be considered the best Isabelle during the early metagame seeing as she beat players like {{Sm|Ally}} and {{Sm|Raptor}}? It’s hard to say because of the lack of Isa players early on.[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 12:40, March 3, 2022 (EST)
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| :[https://smashdata.gg/smash/ultimate/player/bocchi Her results] were literally not good during early meta. And she only did good at some 100+ locals, did bad at anything above that. So I don't really see how she was ever the best Isabelle. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]] [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 22:27, March 3, 2022 (EST)
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| Jesus christ. those results indeed are bad. Fair enough[[User:ClemSSB|ClemSSB]] ([[User talk:ClemSSB|talk]]) 17:13, March 4, 2022 (EST)
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