Editing Talk:Ink (status)

== Split ==

Almost forgot that this page covers both the Ink effect and mechanic. Completely '''support''' splitting, tag provides all the justification necessary. [[User:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:blue">'''Acgamer'''</span>]][[User talk:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:red">'''28'''</span>]][[File:Acgamer28SignatureHead.png|20px]] 17:54, June 22, 2020 (EDT)

I have to agree. Ink (the ammunition) and ink (the status effect) have nothing in common but the name, so I don't see the reason to have them on the same page. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 18:11, June 22, 2020 (EDT)

Also support. Could be split into pages "Ink (Fighter Ability)" and "Ink (Effect)" maybe? [[User:Silva|Silva]] ([[User talk:Silva|talk]]) 04:29, June 25, 2020 (EDT)
:I like this one. '''Support''', but make a Disambiguation page with it.--[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 13:38, June 28, 2020 (EDT)
:'''Support''' per Plague. [[User:Pokebub|Pokebub]] ([[User talk:Pokebub|talk]]) 13:46, June 28, 2020 (EDT)

'''Bumping''' this: even though there seems to be a clear consensus that we ought to split this page, how exactly should we do this? A page soley on the ink effect will be split off, but how do we name the article about it as a mechanic? [[User:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:blue">'''Acgamer'''</span>]][[User talk:Acgamer28|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:red">'''28'''</span>]][[File:Acgamer28SignatureHead.png|20px]] 13:34, July 11, 2020 (EDT)

"Ink (ammunition)" and "Ink (effect)", maybe? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 18:43, July 20, 2020 (EDT)

'''Bumpng and Supporting this move''' this is a good idea. [[User:S3AHAWK|<span style="font-family: Arial;color:Blue; 0px">S3AHAWK</span>]] ([[User talk:S3AHAWK|''<span style=" font-family: Comic Sans MS;color: Red;">talk</span>'']])[[File:S3AHAWK_Signature_icon_1.png|20px]] 23:18, August 11, 2020 (EDT)

'''Oppose''' I think the Ink effect is small enough to not warrant a page of its own. It's better, in my opinion, if it stays here with its own small section, especially since the Ink mechanic and the effect often appear together. [[User:Zeckemyro|Hitbox Enthusiast Zeck]] ([[User talk:Zeckemyro|talk]]) 23:25, August 11, 2020 (EDT)

Okay, upon reading up, there are actually ''three'' separate game mechanics shoved into one article. There's the ''ammunition'' in Inkling's moveset, there's ''covering'' people in ink, and then there's the "ink" ''effect'' (which is just a particle effect like the [[Flame]] effect). None of those things have any correlation with each other at all, and yet here they are. People who want to look up information on one of these things currently have to search for it between the parts that are information about the other two. I think it's absolutely terrible. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 12:03, August 15, 2020 (EDT)
:I thought I already gave my support on this, but guess not. '''Support'''. As for "ammunition" it could be "Ink Tank" similar to how Joker has [[Rebellion Gauge]] and Hero has [[MP Gauge]]. Then you have the ink mechanic which affects the damage multiplier and then the visual effect. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 13:46, August 15, 2020 (EDT)
::Ooh, "Ink Tank" is good. Put my vote toward that one specifically. I'm still not sure about coming up with names for the other two. "Ink (effect)" for the visual effect seems like a given based on how we do stuff like [[Water (effect)]], but that makes it a little difficult to name the remaining page. "Ink (mechanic)" is a little ambiguous because it could refer to all three of these - that's kinda how we ended up in this mess in the first place. "Ink (status effect)" is the least ambiguous thing I can come up with, but that might come a little too close to "Ink (effect)". [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 16:23, August 18, 2020 (EDT)
:::'''Support''', since the fighter mechanic and effect are different. I'd say do Ink Tank and Ink (Effect) or something like that. [[Special:Editcount/PinkYoshiFan|---]][[User:PinkYoshiFan|Pink]][[User talk:PinkYoshiFan|Yoshi]][[Special:Contributions/PinkYoshiFan|Fan]]
:Been a while, but I want to reiterate that if this split happens, there should be a disambiguation page. [[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 06:38, November 9, 2020 (EST)
::Oh, of course. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 18:18, November 13, 2020 (EST)
:'''Support''' [[User:SSBU Boi|SSBU Boi]] ([[User talk:SSBU Boi|talk]]) 10:01, December 9, 2020 (EST) 
Maybe u can do the one that makes the most sense? [[User:Dcx|Dcx]] ([[User talk:Dcx|talk]]) 08:41, December 1, 2020 (EST)
:...Yes, that is the idea of having this discussion. Which one do ''you'' think that is? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 12:09, December 7, 2020 (EST)
::'''Support''', I say "Ink" refer to the mechanic and "Ink (effect)" refer to the effect. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="font-family: Lithograph"><span style="color: #0123A8">'''BANjO-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''KAZOOiE'''</span></span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 17:12, December 14, 2020 (EST)

Okay, so let me formalize a proposal on what exactly we're doing here. The way I see it, there'll be four pages:
* [[Ink (disambiguation)]], which is a disambiguation page that links to all three of the following pages.
* [[Ink Tank]], a page that details Inkling's ammunition, shield special, and the ink costs of moves.
* [[Ink (status)]], a page that details the mechanics of covering fighters in ink, which moves do so, and how much.
* [[Ink (effect)]], a page similar to other [[effect]] pages that list the attacks that have the ink particle effect.
Does this sound good to everyone? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 20:34, December 15, 2020 (EST)
:I don't see there being enough information on the Inkling's mechanic to warrant a whole page, but rather I feel that could all fit on the [[Fighter ability]] page; I could be wrong on that, though. Otherwise, all that sounds good to me. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 22:05, December 15, 2020 (EST)

==Regarding the damage equation==

I feel like the equation provided is rather difficult to parse. Is there any way it could be reformatted in proper Latex notation? [[User:Fennaixelphox|Fennaixelphox]] ([[User talk:Fennaixelphox|talk]]) 22:59, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what "proper LaTeX notation" is. Only thing I can think of is replace the "*" with a "×" and maybe brackets around "ink * 0.5", but following the order of operations would give the same result regardless. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 05:03, October 21, 2020 (EDT)
::It's three simple operations, there's no need to replace it with an image in the same way as the knockback or aura equations. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 07:26, October 21, 2020 (EDT)

== How does the effect work with free-for-alls? ==

When a character is covered in ink, so they take more damage from every source, or just Inkling, and if they only take damage from Inkling, is it just the Inkling that applied it or any Inkling. Furthermore, if an Inkling attacks an opponent covered in somebody else's ink, does the other ink get slowly removed, or do opponents take even more damage from multiple colored inks? The article makes it clear that individual inks are exactly the same on their own, but it doesn't mention how it interacts with other inks. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 17:51, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
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 Does this sound good to everyone? [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 20:34, December 15, 2020 (EST)
 :I don't see there being enough information on the Inkling's mechanic to warrant a whole page, but rather I feel that could all fit on the [[Fighter ability]] page; I could be wrong on that, though. Otherwise, all that sounds good to me. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span><span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 22:05, December 15, 2020 (EST)
-A bit late, but I made the split. [[User:Ahemtoday|Ahemtoday]] ([[User talk:Ahemtoday|talk]]) 22:45, March 28, 2022 (EDT)
 ==Regarding the damage equation==
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 When a character is covered in ink, so they take more damage from every source, or just Inkling, and if they only take damage from Inkling, is it just the Inkling that applied it or any Inkling. Furthermore, if an Inkling attacks an opponent covered in somebody else's ink, does the other ink get slowly removed, or do opponents take even more damage from multiple colored inks? The article makes it clear that individual inks are exactly the same on their own, but it doesn't mention how it interacts with other inks. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 17:51, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
-:I have put this to the test, and here are my findings:
-:*Ink damage applies to damage received from anyone, regardless of who applied it.
-:*Only one colour at a time can coat a character. If they are hit with a different coloured ink, their colour will suddenly change once there’s enough. How much this is depends on the coat value of each colour, with the higher one being the dominant colour. Concurrent values will count down as normal.
-:*Despite my findings above, multiple colour coatings DO NOT result in further increased damage.
-:Hope this helps. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 20:01, April 15, 2021 (EDT)
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