Editing Talk:Home-Run Contest

Since the contest always shows lengths in metres, can anyone tell me why people always describe them using feet? [[User:Vimescarrot|<font color="darkred">JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot</font>]] 12:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

:You must live in somewhere other then the NTSC (or whatever it is) region. in the NTSC game they use feet... [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 12:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::I saw a youtube video where the description was in feet, but the video clearly showed the distance recorded in metres, though. But thanks, I guess. =/ [[User:Vimescarrot|<font color="darkred">JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot</font>]] 18:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
:::To clarify this:
:::PAL Version: Europe, Oceanic countries, Middle East, Most of Asia and Africa and some of South America.
:::This system uses meters, since this is the standard measurement in these countries.

:::NTSC Version: North America, some of South America and a few countries in Asia including Japan.
:::This system uses feet as a measurement instead, since this is the usual way to measure lengths in these countries. [[User:RageSmash|RageSmash]] ([[User talk:RageSmash|talk]]) 13:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

== Damage caused by moves that can hit farther than the Home-run Bat  ==

What is the relevance of the damage caused by moves that can hit farther than the Home-run Bat? Isn't the crux of the section related to a move's knock-back, not its damage? After all, the sandbag's final damage isn't what determines it's flight distance, right?

Even so, as long as the proper minimum damages to hit the bag at with each move are listed, I don't see the need to list the damage they inflict in this section. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 03:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


::Just keep them on. It will do nothing but help. [[User:Kperfekt722|Kperfekt722]] ([[User talk:Kperfekt722|talk]]) 03:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Irrelevant information is, indeed, unhelpful.[[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 22:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Is knock-back calculated based on the damage before the attack, or after it? If it is after, then these figures may be helpful. Otherwise, they should be removed. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 17:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== Kirby ==

My friend told me what he did was play as Kirby, inhale Sandbag, and run. Should that be listed?
[[User:SuperSmash16.5]] 6:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
:No, that's a gimmick strategy.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 06:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Australian ==

*[[Captain Falcon]]'s [[Falcon Punch]] ([[neutral B]])
:Hits farther than the bat always. <-- This doesn't appear to work in the Australian release of SSBB. -->  
-If this is accurate (needs confirmation), then this may have many implications. Of course, this info should also be added to the article. [[User:Zixor|Zixor]] ([[User talk:Zixor|talk]]) 06:24, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Donkey Kong ==

If you walk next to the sandbag in SSBM, he will always perform a no-ping hit. Is this new, because it doesn't say that in the main article.

== Home-run Contest vs Home-Run Contest ==

Reboot has brought up the fact that the mode is called Home-Run Contest, with a capital R. He suggests that the article be moved to such. Could an Admin carry out this change? [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 21:12, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:Yup. The item needs moved to [[Home-Run Bat]] as well. See right.[[File:HomeRunCapitalR.jpg|thumb|right]] - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 01:42, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== World Records ==

Why haven't the single and co - op world records been added? 
[[User:Wawahwario|Wawahwario]] ([[User talk:Wawahwario|talk]]) 20:17, 23 January 2011 (EST) 02:06, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: Although we used to, I don't think that we usually list WRs nowadays, but I'm not sure. – [[User:Smiddle|Smiddle]]<sub>[[user talk:Smiddle|T]]</sub> 02:07, 16 January 2011 (EST)

:Because they never been a large focus and no one ever added them. This is a Wiki, where everything here is from someone volunteering their time to add it. As such, don't expect the Wiki to have everything or demand it. If you want to see them, I recommend adding them yourself (as long as you provide the proper citation to prove they're the records).

:Also, you sign your comments with just four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, you don't manually type it yourself. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 04:45, 16 January 2011 (EST)

:You guys know how out of date the Smash DOJO records are? Perhaps the link should be removed. [[User:Wawahwario|Wawahwario]] ([[User talk:Wawahwario|talk]]) 20:17, 23 January 2011 (EST) 18:59, 16 January 2011 (EST)
::Removed them if they're out of date. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 19:22, 16 January 2011 (EST)

Everything is up to date and looking good Wawahwario 20:18, 16 January 2011 (EST)
:Properly sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Btw, records may not be true records. So many vids on AiB that surpass.<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 20:19, 16 January 2011 (EST)

I did sign using the the for tildes [[User:Wawahwario|Wawahwario]] ([[User talk:Wawahwario|talk]]) 20:17, 23 January 2011 (EST) 06:25, 17 January 2011 (EST) Wawahwario 06:25, 17 January 2011 (EST)
:Your signature should have a link to your user and talk pages. Did you create a custom signature that removed these links? If so, readd them. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 06:55, 17 January 2011 (EST)

== Messy Article ==

How is this article messy? I think it can use a little more organization, but how exactly is it messy? [[File:GreenMarioBrawlHead.png|15px]][[User:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#32CD32">
Green</span>]] [[User talk:Green Mario|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;color:#FFA500">Mario</span>]] 01:25, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:Cleanup tag was added a while back ago, and users have the tendency of not removing stubs/cleanup tags when they finish revising the article to the point of the article no longer needing such tags. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 05:45, 4 March 2011 (EST)

== Getting Yoshi's Island ==

I recently got the Yoshi's Island stage with Yoshi getting 1342.9 feet, 7 feet less than the 1350 feet listed to unlock the stage. Normally I would change this to say 1340 feet is required, but that probably means the meters measurement is inaccurate too, and converting the two doesn't result in an exact measurement, (1350 ft= 411.48m, while 1340ft= 408.432m) so I need to know what the PAL requirement is to make sure. [[User:Takava|Takava]] ([[User talk:Takava|talk]]) 18:11, 17 February 2012 (EST)
==Tables?==
Would this article be better with tables? [[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 16:38, 7 December 2012 (EST)

Cause I could add them. [[User:Brawls of fury|Brawls of fury ]] ([[User talk:Brawls of fury|talk]]) 16:49, 7 December 2012 (EST)

== Moves farther than bat ==

When will we get a list of these for SSB4??--[[User:Thejfh1999|Thejfh1999]] ([[User talk:Thejfh1999|talk]]) 18:08, 11 January 2015 (EST)

== SSB4 World Record ==

Any sign of that on YouTube? Just wondering.

Also, I think it's worth mentioning that the farthest that I've gotten ''without'' using the bat is around 6346.5 feet. You have [[Ganondorf (SSB4)|this guy]] to thank for that. [[File:AidanzapunkSig.jpg]][[User:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''BlueStreak'''</span>]] [[User talk:BlueStreak|<span style="color: blue;">'''Speeds By'''</span>]] 12:50, 12 January 2015 (EST)

== Now, wait a sec... ==

"''Mr. Game & Watch's Judge always comes up with a 6. In the case of the Extreme Judge variant, which normally cannot roll a 6, its effect is identical to the default variation.''"

...I thought you couldn't use customs in the HRC. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:55, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
:Maybe you can, maybe you can't, I have no idea, I've never tried it. All I know is that the move has data for rolling a 6 (and no other middle numbers) when it's not otherwise supposed to be able to. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Honcho 09:58, 25 September 2015 (EDT)
:You can't. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: LawnGreen">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 10:05, 25 September 2015 (EDT)

== Size difference with language ==

I studied the GIF correctly, and while it does appear to be an illusion caused by the differing camera angle, in the GIF the sandbag and character DO NOT change size with the camera, which makes it look like the stage is indeed bigger for them. So what's going on here? [[User:Black Vulpine|Black Vulpine]] ([[User talk:Black Vulpine|talk]]) 21:03, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't know what's up with the sandbag, but I looked into it and there is no evidence on the internet that the platform is bigger. If it were, world record attempts would use the bigger platform, but they don't. Also look to the right of the platform at the score strip, it clearly does not get overhung by the platform. It is also highly suspicious that the user who added it never made any other edits on the wiki at all. [[User:Alex the weeb|Alex the weeb]] ([[User talk:Alex the weeb|talk]]) 03:19, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Just want to point out that the user who edited that line was directed here from the subreddit from [https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/5bv2d6/typo_breaks_sins_10year_old_captain_falcon_hrc/d9rqlo5/ this comment specifically]. There ''are'' WR's that use the bigger platform and I would urge you to test his explanation yourselves in game before completely dismissing this as a rumor. [[User:WorseDoughnut|WorseDoughnut]] ([[User talk:WorseDoughnut|talk]]) 23:25, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

== Brawl removing "no off-stage mechanics" constrained WRs ==

I made an edit a few weeks back that removed the "no off-stage mechanics" WRs from Brawl since they aren't considered a separate category. Then this edit was reverted with no explanation. Why should we keep constrained WR numbers that aren't their own category? [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 21:30, 13 November 2017 (EST)
:...who cares what's a "category" and what isn't? We report on world records regardless, and if a record is only a record when excluding to offstage stuff, it should be noted. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 21:41, 13 November 2017 (EST)
::It matters because there's no reason to note extra constrained WRs. For example we could say in Melee that "excluding strategies that don't swing the Home-Run Bat at the end, the WR is held by Yoshi at 6923.1 feet (2110.2 m)", but we don't because there's nothing special about excluding non-bat strategies. We don't say "if a record is only a record when excluding non-bat strategies, it should be noted". And similarly, there isn't anything special about excluding off-stage mechanics. [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 13:20, 14 November 2017 (EST)

== Should we note that this mode wasn't available at launch in Ultimate? ==

I figured it's very important to note it given that we note that [[Lucas]] wasn't playable in Smash 4 at launch but was in as DLC later.

[[User:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|Bowser vs Bowser Jr.]] ([[User talk:Bowser vs Bowser Jr.|talk]]) 14:00, September 25, 2019 (EDT)

== Why is someone removing entries in Ultimate's "List of moves that can hit farther than the Home-Run Bat" ==

In the cleanup tag, they said "A lot of the "citations" on these do not properly demonstrate that the claimed move actually outperforms the bat"
I had entries added for Luigi FS, Wario FS, Wii Fit Trainer FS (with deep breathing), Little Mac straight lunge, K Rool FS, Incineroar FS, and Piranha Plant FS. All of them had citations that clearly showed someone using the move to send it further than the bat would have, at that %. For some reason, Alex the Weeb removed all of them ''except'' Piranha Plant. So why did these entries get removed? What's the standard of proof that a move actually goes further than the bat? I don't get it... [[Special:Contributions/162.157.228.240|162.157.228.240]] 20:21, February 19, 2020 (EST)
:Since you seem to be confused about what is and isn't evidence of moves outperforming the bat, let me be clear<nowiki>:</nowiki> simply linking to a clip of someone using a move other than the home run swing to launch the sandbag does nothing to establish whether or not the sweetspot of the home run swing would have launched the sandbag further. What's more, comparing the scores in the clips you provided with some empirical data I have of the sweetspotted HRS with percent after the second knockback threshold reveals that Piranha Plant's forward smash was the only one that got anywhere close to what would be expected from the sweetspotted HRS. Perhaps you are getting confused because if you don't land the hitbox on the very tip of the bat, your score will be noticeably lower, as the inner hitboxes deal less knockback. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 10:27, February 20, 2020 (EST)

Shulk Forward Smash (angled up) and Wii Fit Trainer Forward smash both outperform the bat (with monado arts and deep breathing).

Shulk Forward Smash ~265% 1,258.307km [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqgQqIEJF_0&feature=youtu.be&t=75]

Shulk Bat 269.90% 1,183.848km [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9e9xxUOTZU&feature=youtu.be&t=16]

Shulk Bat ~270% 1,184.644m [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhaxjt3la80&feature=youtu.be&t=583]


Wii Fit Trainer Forward Smash 254.90% 1,141.549% [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4QvBoSm-8&feature=youtu.be&t=95]

Wii Fit Trainer Bat 252.6% 1014.368km [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHMv1ccpPIk]
:None of your bat clips appear to show the tipper of the home-run swing. Remember that since the inner hitboxes outprioritize the tipper, if the sandbag is lying down you must be further away from it to get the tipper, and the pose it has during hitlag is misleading. If I could make a recommendation: I have a graph which very accurately shows launch distances with the tippered bat in the range of ≈140% to 350% which you can view [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682115545516081172/682976007363625007/HRC_projection.png here]. Since Smash and Deep Breathing also power up the bat with the same modifiers, if the boosted forward smashes outperform the boosted bat, then the unboosted forward smashes would outperform the unboosted bat, so if you can provide a score and percent with the unboosted forward smashes which outperforms the predicted scores of the unboosted bat in the graph, then that should be enough to prove that those are valid entries. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 15:55, March 7, 2020 (EST)
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 Wii Fit Trainer Bat 252.6% 1014.368km [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHMv1ccpPIk]
 :None of your bat clips appear to show the tipper of the home-run swing. Remember that since the inner hitboxes outprioritize the tipper, if the sandbag is lying down you must be further away from it to get the tipper, and the pose it has during hitlag is misleading. If I could make a recommendation: I have a graph which very accurately shows launch distances with the tippered bat in the range of ≈140% to 350% which you can view [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/682115545516081172/682976007363625007/HRC_projection.png here]. Since Smash and Deep Breathing also power up the bat with the same modifiers, if the boosted forward smashes outperform the boosted bat, then the unboosted forward smashes would outperform the unboosted bat, so if you can provide a score and percent with the unboosted forward smashes which outperforms the predicted scores of the unboosted bat in the graph, then that should be enough to prove that those are valid entries. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 15:55, March 7, 2020 (EST)
-== Warlock Punch and maximum horizontal launch speed ==
-If reversed warlock punch has the same launch angle as the home run swing and the horizontal launch speed is limited, how can it reach almost 12,000 km?[https://twitter.com/rein_palutena/status/1185491643287232513]. [[User:OnePunchMac|<span style="color: blue;">'''OnePunchMac'''</span>]] 22:38, March 9, 2020 (GMT)
-:It doesn't have the same launch angle. Its launch angle is 38˚, while the bat's is 30˚. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 18:43, March 9, 2020 (EDT)
-::Where can I take a look at that information? I looked in UltimateFrameData for the hitbox and it looked like 30º. Thanks in advance. [[User:OnePunchMac|<span style="color: blue;">'''OnePunchMac'''</span>]] 23:59, March 9, 2020 (GMT)
-:::[https://rubendal.github.io/ssbu/#/Character/Ganondorf] Go to "SpecialNTurn". 361 is the Sakurai angle which in Ultimate rises to 38˚ for strong knockback. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 19:03, March 9, 2020 (EDT)
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