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:Sakurai in no way said they were official. His wording was very much so "you can use these names if you want to". [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:28, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | :Sakurai in no way said they were official. His wording was very much so "you can use these names if you want to". [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 15:28, July 30, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::Then why still use Luminary and Erdrick? Why not stick to Eleven, Four and Three? Especially when Luminary and Erdrick are titles and not names. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.201.94.1|112.201.94.1]] ([[User talk:112.201.94.1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.201.94.1|contribs]]) 09:47, July 31, 2019 (EDT)</small> | ::Then why still use Luminary and Erdrick? Why not stick to Eleven, Four and Three? Especially when Luminary and Erdrick are titles and not names. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:112.201.94.1|112.201.94.1]] ([[User talk:112.201.94.1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/112.201.94.1|contribs]]) 09:47, July 31, 2019 (EDT)</small> | ||
:::I agree. The names should be Eleven, Arusu, Solo, and Eight. There are way more reasons to make those the names than anything else. First of all, those are literally the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they could call them. Those are obviously the names that he and Square Enix want to get known as their official names. And those are obviously the names that he wants people to call them. Also, the title of "Luminary" is literally just an alternate western translation of "Hero." He's not known as the Luminary in Japan, he's known as the Hero, just like all the other protagonists. So, if this was a Japanese wiki, it would be like calling them all their names but calling the DQ11 one "Hero" as if it's his name. When the title of Hero/Luminary is something they all have. Which is why they are all called that in the character select screen. Similarly, "Erdrick" is just a title that the DQ3 Hero earns. His name is | :::I agree. The names should be Eleven, Arusu, Solo, and Eight. There are way more reasons to make those the names than anything else. First of all, those are literally the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they could call them. Those are obviously the names that he and Square Enix want to get known as their official names. And those are obviously the names that he wants people to call them. Also, the title of "Luminary" is literally just an alternate western translation of "Hero." He's not known as the Luminary in Japan, he's known as the Hero, just like all the other protagonists. So, if this was a Japanese wiki, it would be like calling them all their names but calling the DQ11 one "Hero" as if it's his name. When the title of Hero/Luminary is something they all have. Which is why they are all called that in the character select screen. Similarly, "Erdrick" is just a title that the DQ3 Hero earns. His name is Asuru, as Sakurai stated. --[[Special:Contributions/73.71.161.160|73.71.161.160]] 16:08, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
::::For one, Sakurai never said those were official names; his wording was very clearly "you can use these names if you like". They were to be taken as a suggestion, and nothing more - furthermore, the video even said "Character names from Japanese games", so I doubt that they were meant to be taken into usage by worldwide fans. | ::::For one, Sakurai never said those were official names; his wording was very clearly "you can use these names if you like". They were to be taken as a suggestion, and nothing more - furthermore, the video even said "Character names from Japanese games", so I doubt that they were meant to be taken into usage by worldwide fans. | ||
::::For two, more people know the name "Erdrick" and "Luminary" than "Arusu" and "Eleven". Even Japanese fans call him "Loto" instead of "Arusu", and even Sakurai introduces the Hero from ''III'' as "[https://youtu.be/ciLEX04BVFM?t=105 the Hero Erdrick]". ([https://youtu.be/BluK_VBPIic?t=105 He says it in Japanese as well.]) | ::::For two, more people know the name "Erdrick" and "Luminary" than "Arusu" and "Eleven". Even Japanese fans call him "Loto" instead of "Arusu", and even Sakurai introduces the Hero from ''III'' as "[https://youtu.be/ciLEX04BVFM?t=105 the Hero Erdrick]". ([https://youtu.be/BluK_VBPIic?t=105 He says it in Japanese as well.]) | ||
::::I fail to see how there are "way more reasons" to use names that people aren't familiar with. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ::::I fail to see how there are "way more reasons" to use names that people aren't familiar with. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 16:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::::Why not stick with Three, Four, Eight and Eleven then? They are more official and recognized. They're more "neutral" and general. | :::::Why not stick with Three, Four, Eight and Eleven then? They are more official and recognized. They're more "neutral" and general. | ||
::::::I never said that Sakurai said those were the official names. I said that those are the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they should call the Heroes. And that it's obvious that those are the names that he wants us to use. Or else he wouldn't have suggested we use them. So we should use them. I can see an argument for keeping | ::::::I never said that Sakurai said those were the official names. I said that those are the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they should call the Heroes. And that it's obvious that those are the names that he wants us to use. Or else he wouldn't have suggested we use them. So we should use them. I can see an argument for keeping Asuru's name as "Erdrick" since that's a title that most people refer to him as rather than his real name. As for Eleven being titled "Luminary," are you just going to completely ignore what I said about it literally just being interchangeable with "Hero"? Luminary is not his name and it is not a title like "Erdrick." It's what they decided to translate "Hero" as for DQ11 in the west for some reason instead of keeping it as "Hero" like all the previous games. And in Smash, they decided to just call them all "Hero" instead of "Luminary" to be consistent with previous titles since multiple Heroes are playable and to be consistent languague-wise. .....and if you're going to fix his name from Luminary to Eleven, you might as well change Asuru's name from Erdrick to Asuru for consistency's sake. Because why only call one of them by a title rather than a name? --[[Special:Contributions/73.71.161.160|73.71.161.160]] 20:27, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:::::::It is a matter of consistency. Else it looks like you're giving preference for one name over the other. Methinks it's because one has been used in other pages. | :::::::It is a matter of consistency. Else it looks like you're giving preference for one name over the other. Methinks it's because one has been used in other pages. | ||
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Let’s just finish discussing this topic [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 21:44, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | Let’s just finish discussing this topic [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 21:44, July 31, 2019 (EDT) | ||
:Yes, let's finish discussing it. Can I get a response to my last comment | :Yes, let's finish discussing it. Can I get a response to my last comment? --[[Special:Contributions/73.71.161.160|73.71.161.160]] 23:48, August 3, 2019 (EDT) | ||
This has been discussed to death stop asking [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 17:32, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | This has been discussed to death stop asking [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 17:32, August 8, 2019 (EDT) | ||
