Editing Talk:Greninja (SSB4)

== Information in Reveal Video ==

The page is understandably limited in who can edit it, but there were a few details from the reveal video of Greninja about his nature as a fighter. A move that looks like it could definitely be his up special (where he shoots two jet streams of water in quick succession to propel himself and reach the ledge) should probably be noted, as well as what looks like a grab. Those are just a couple of examples that seem to be absent. [[User:Toymakers Creation|Toymakers Creation]] ([[User talk:Toymakers Creation|talk]]) 22:10, 10 April 2014 (EDT)
:Is it worth noting that it's tall but is almost permanently crouching? Closest we've gotten to that before is Wolf. [[Special:Contributions/109.149.11.192|109.149.11.192]] 11:58, 11 April 2014 (EDT)

== Trivia? ==

I have found two facts for Greninja that I believe should be placed on his page (either this one, or the main Greninja one):
*Greninja is the only playable character in the ''Super Smash Bros.'' series, to have debuted, and then appeared in a ''Smash Bros.'' title, with both being on the same console.
*Not counting Roy, Greninja had the shortest amount of time between his debut and his appearance in a ''Super Smash Bros.'' title.
Just putting these two out there. :P [[Special:Contributions/99.241.151.203|99.241.151.203]] 16:53, 6 May 2014 (EDT)
:That first one could work if ''only'' was changed to ''first'', although I think it belongs on the main Greninja page, not the SSB4 one. That second one is too volitile. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 19:46, 6 May 2014 (EDT)

::Should we add that greninja' s hand was unwebbed when he first appeared on the video? [[User:1blitzer1|1blitzer1]] ([[User talk:1blitzer1|talk]]) 23:29, 5 November 2014 (EST)

Is it just me or does Greninja have some resemblance to Strider Hiryu? He even has a Final Smash that reminds me of "Ragnorok", his "Hyper Combo" from Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3! [[Special:Contributions/31.51.31.199|31.51.31.199]] 15:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)

== Unnamed Up Special ==
I believe the Up Special has a name, and the name is Aqua Jet. It's a water type variation of the move Quick Attack. The only problem is that Greninja can't learn it in any of the games. Shouldn't be too big an issue though, as Lucario's "Aura Storm" isn't even an actual move in the series. [[User:Mewchild|Mewchild]] ([[User talk:Mewchild|talk]]) 05:06, 4 July 2014 (EDT)
:Outright speculation. Even if we knew for a fact the move shared its name with a move Greninja could legitimately learn (which we don't), we still couldn't say it was any particular move. Quick Attack, Bounce, Acrobatics, etc. are all just as plausible anyway. We're not going to guess. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 06:49, 4 July 2014 (EDT)
::Yeah, it's best not to speculate names. By the way, Greninja cannot legitimately learn Aqua Jet in the Pokémon games, so it's highly unlikely. Then again, Pichu had moves it cannot learn legitimately when it was in Melee, so who knows? Best to hold off until a name is confirmed. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 07:36, 4 July 2014 (EDT)
I'm going to call this move,"Hydro Pump" because it reminds me of that move. I may be wrong![[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 11:24, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
:Whoa, hold on. Smash Wiki is not speculative. You're new here, so I suggest you read smash wiki's [[Help:Contents|Help Pages]] before editing. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 11:29, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
::I know that part but if you pay close attention he shoots the water from his hands. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 10:47, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Greninja does that with all Water Moves in X&Y though..... [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 14:55, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

== Light Blue palette swap? ==

When has it been confirmed that Greninja had this? Also, he has a pink palette swap (possibly based on Lickitung?) that isn't mentioned here.[[User:SchAlternate|SchAlternate]] ([[User talk:SchAlternate|talk]]) 14:08, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
:I'm not sure, but when starting a new topic, press "new section" at the top of the page, or heck, just put it at the bottom. Newe Talk Topics should not go at the top. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 15:14, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
::My bad. I'm new here. Anyway, I put this conversation at the bottom now.[[User:SchAlternate|SchAlternate]] ([[User talk:SchAlternate|talk]]) 15:44, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Added it to the list of colors, and removed the Light Blue color, as I can't find a source for it. Something to remember when making suggestions you should provide a source like this: http://www.gamespot.com/videos/e3-2014-super-smash-bros-for-3ds-greninja-single-p/2300-6419666/ Either way, thank you for noting this. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]]) 16:11, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

== Custom Up Special? ==

It's somewhat difficult to see, but I found in this video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j98OzdMFVbo here] a snippit of footage that shows one of Greninja's custom special moves, which appears to be an up special move with a blurry name. Looking at it in 720p it seems to be Sta___nt Shuriken? Possibly "Stagnant Shuriken"? I'm just putting it out there since I wasn't sure if people were aware of this or if it's worth adding. [[Special:Contributions/71.51.98.53|71.51.98.53]] 13:47, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
:Stagnant was the first thing that came to my mind. Can you please tell us the exact time in the video so I don't have to look through it?<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]]  14:15, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
It was about 5:40 to the end when the results screen was visible. [[Special:Contributions/71.51.98.53|71.51.98.53]] 16:28, 19 July 2014 (EDT)
The name says "Stagnant Shuriken", although it says it's an up special it's really a neutral special. The E3 demo messed up on the neutral and side specials. [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 11:18, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
:Yep. That definitely says stagnant shuriken. Something similar happened with Samus, with a custom "Melee Charge Shot" as an up special, rather than a neutral special. Ima just mark it as an up special like we did on Samus' page. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="002C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 12:36, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
::I take it that means Charge Blaster isn't Fox's up special then. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 13:05, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it seems like the directions were mislabeled in the demo. Charge Blaster is probably just what it sounds like: a neutral special custom for Fox. I'm guessing Stagnant Shuriken is going to be similar to Mario's Fire Orb customization. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 10:54, 29 July 2014 (EDT)
::::You're right [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]]! [[User:The Smash Brotha|The Smash Brotha]] ([[User talk:The Smash Brotha|talk]]) 13:02, 29 July 2014 (EDT)

== Mysterious Ninja ==

http://kantopia.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/ssb4-greninja-famitsu-scan-translations-827-24/ [[Special:Contributions/72.105.5.6|72.105.5.6]] 11:35, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
:I'm not quite clear why you're pointing this out. We already have that translation in use. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:42, 1 September 2014 (EDT)
::Didn't notice. :) [[Special:Contributions/72.105.1.198|72.105.1.198]] 20:07, 7 September 2014 (EDT)

== Up Special ==

I'm pretty sure his recovery is Aqua Jet and not Hydro Pump. [[User:Sir Jolteon|Sir Jolteon]] ([[User talk:Sir Jolteon|talk]]) 14:42, 20 September 2014 (EDT)
:That would make sense but nope, the official name is "Hydro Pump" in both Japanese and English. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Pan-Galactic 15:02, 20 September 2014 (EDT)

== False Trivia ==

None of Lucario's special moves share names with actual Pokemon moves, either. [[Special:Contributions/97.86.161.130|97.86.161.130]] 16:28, 10 December 2014 (EST)

== Something I was wondering ==

Why is Greninja removing lag with Shadow Sneak considered a notice? I think every Greninja main would probably say that it was a very clear nerf.

[[Special:Contributions/70.193.128.126|70.193.128.126]] 20:56, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
:I don't know why. I'm pretty sure that constitutes a nerf, so I'll change it. <font face="sand">''[[User:Qwerty|<font color="black">Qw</font><font color="003F3F">er</font><font color="005F5F">ty</font>]] ''[[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="005F6F">(t</font><font color="003C6F">al</font><font color="000F7F">k)</font>]]</font> 20:59, 13 April 2015 (EDT)
::Bugfixes are not to be considered buffs/nerfs. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:04, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

== Is my trivia relevant? ==

I put a piece of trivia about the BNG meme, do you think that is relevant enough to stay or should I remove it? [[Special:Contributions/45.37.25.25|45.37.25.25]] 21:30, 16 August 2015 (EDT)
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 Is it just me or does Greninja have some resemblance to Strider Hiryu? He even has a Final Smash that reminds me of "Ragnorok", his "Hyper Combo" from Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3! [[Special:Contributions/31.51.31.199|31.51.31.199]] 15:19, 4 December 2014 (EST)
-Does anyone think this is interesting enough to be on this page? "Greninja added both the Water and Dark types to ''SSB4'', Water being because of the absence of Squirtle, and Dark being completely new to the Smash Bros. Series."[[User:BlizzardLizard123|BlizzardLizard123]] ([[User talk:BlizzardLizard123|talk]]) 08:12, July 1, 2021 (EDT)
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 I put a piece of trivia about the BNG meme, do you think that is relevant enough to stay or should I remove it? [[Special:Contributions/45.37.25.25|45.37.25.25]] 21:30, 16 August 2015 (EDT)
-== I think Substitute Ambush is underrated.  ==
-Earlier today I was in a Custom moves-only tournament, and had some pretty good luck with it. First it does high Shield damage, and has even broken them a couple times, if not made them too small to use. Second, it gives you more time to choose a direction to respawn, where with regular Substitute requires you to thinkfast. Can we please mention this somewhere? [[User:Unowninator|Unowninator]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 20:36, 15 February 2016 (EST)
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