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| [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 02:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT) | | [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 02:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT) |
| :A few years ago I was grinding gold to test something in the Shop and used a phone app (no longer works) that could simulate Switch controller inputs. I found that spamming "up" with tap-jump disabled yielded more than crouch spamming; think you could hypothetically get 1 gold every 2 frames (up -> neutral -> up -> neutral etc.). My guess is that the count is closer to 1 gold per "input that could perform an action", that is if you spam forward smash during another forward smash, only the first forward smash counts until the animation is over. Similarly you need to wait for the crouch to finish before you can get another gold from crouching again. Granted, this was a while back so I may have forgotten details or wasn't as thorough with my testing. [https://i.imgur.com/jluSSts.png This is probably all that I documented] (the dash-dance I mention is closer to fox-trotting), no clue how long I ran these but I think the last one was over night. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 05:07, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Ah, the double whammy of "discord posts can't be used as citation links" + "imgur is deleting uploads", the bane of all game documentation. Thanks for the info and for the better quality image upload; I've added it to the article.
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| ::For the record, I've heard of the no-longer-working phone app; the replacement script I'm using is [https://github.com/Brikwerk/nxbt/pull/110].
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| ::About the "wait for the crouch to finish" guess, interestingly, I'm getting some results counter to that. When I crouch 100 times at a rate of 1 per second (down for 0.5 seconds, neutral for 0.5 seconds), so that there's very obviously exactly 100 crouches, I get 90 gold. But when I crouch 100 times at a rate of 5 per second (down for 0.1 seconds, neutral for 0.1 seconds), I consistently count only 80-90 crouches on-screen (presumably the inputs are coming in too fast or some might be dropped), yet I still get 90 gold.
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| ::[[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 19:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::I immediately put the imgur link into archive.org, just in case. Again, this was a while ago and I was more focused on the data for a different project so I'm not sure if what I said is accurate—I'd verify everything I've said to be safe. A likely reason I used up inputs instead of down inputs was so that I didn't have to hear crouching noises repeatedly or see something move in the corner of my eye while I did other stuff. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 19:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::::Did a few more interesting tests:
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| ::::* Crouching 200 times as one player in a 3-player free-for-all match (where the other 2 players do nothing) yielded 147 gold, compared to 180 gold in a 2-player match.
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| ::::* Spamming 90-100 Fox Blasters where all of them hit the opponent yields 0 gold. (I tested once at 5 per second and once at 1 per second.)
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| ::::* Jumping 100 times with the control stick yields 90 gold.
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| ::::* Jumping 100 times with the X button yields 0 gold.
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| ::::* Crouching 100 times by bringing the control stick 70% of the way down instead of 100% yields 90 gold.
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| ::::* Up-smashing 100 times with the right stick (all the attacks miss) yields 90 gold.
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| ::::My conclusion is that only stick inputs are counted, and they don't have to be all the way to the edge to count. (This still doesn't answer everything though.) [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 15:18, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::::In the article I put "approximately 60% away from the center", but from testing I got slightly inconsistent results for each direction:
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| :::::* Side inputs seem to start counting at 54-55%, even though it is possible to walk with less than this.
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| :::::* Down inputs seem to start counting at 47-49%, which is not enough to crouch.
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| :::::* Up inputs seem to start counting at ~58%.
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| :::::The threshold seems to be slightly inconsistent(?) between tests even though this is the kind of thing a bot shouldn't be able to screw up, so just for safety I put "approximately 60% away to count" in the article. [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] ([[User talk:Zowayix|talk]]) 23:34, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
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