Editing Talk:Glancing blow

==Um==
How exactly is this a "technique" when the article itself stresses how the phantom hits are for the most part completely unintentional, and does not seems to aid the character at all? The definiton of technique in the category itself states, "Techniques are actions done by characters other than attacks that '''improve the skills of the player'''." Notrly for glancing blows. '''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''' 22:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
:It's not a technique; thing is the Dojo lumped it in with some actual techniques. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 22:11, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
::Can I have a link? Also, do we still keep it a technique? '''<span style="font-family:Chiller;">[[User:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">--Havoc</font>]][[User talk:HavocReaper48|<font color="maroon">Reaper</font>]][[w:c:ssb:User:HavocReaper48/Emoticonology|'48]]</span>''' 22:20, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique10.html This page.] We shouldn't keep it as a technique. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px]] <small><choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose></small> 22:30, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

== Melee image ==

Considering how there's no indication of glancing blows in Melee, I would argue that an image of such would be quite useless if it could even exist. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 18:16, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
:You could by taking a screenshot that shows a before and after, where a glancing blow deals half the damage with no knockback. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:21, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

== move ==

'''Support''' and proof [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAHw6z0j074&list=PLWcsy-DPPdzx7TN9qubVpYiIGzXcNUEE9&index=47 is here]] [[User:Nintendofan1653|<font color="red">'''Nintendofan1653'''</font>]] ''([[User talk:Nintendofan1653#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' EZMONEY!! 18:07, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:Given that I have never heard of "phantom hit" until just now, and that the term is apparently Melee exclusive, I '''oppose'''. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 18:10, 24 January 2016 (EST)
::It's not Melee exclusive, it's just used most frequently for Melee. That said, I don't see a reason for the move given that there's an official name in place. '''Oppose'''. '''''[[User:Aardvarkian|<span style="color:purple;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">Aardvarkian</span>]]''''' <span style="color:blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px">'''''[[User Talk:Aardvarkian|(Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aardvarkian|Contributions)]]''''' </span> 18:15, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:::'''OPPOSE BIG TIME'''. Both terms are used a lot, but one game is phantom hit used, whilst glancing blow is rather common all around the series (except for Melee). [[User:Penro|Penro, the]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]][[User talk:Penro|and]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] main.  18:24, 24 January 2016 (EST)
::::I think it would have to be used a lot more. Apparently  "phantom hit" isn't that well known."Prioritize using official names unless a different name is '''much more widely used'''." So I '''oppose'''. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]][[file:Ethan7sig.png|20px|User:Ethan7]]<small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 22:00, 24 January 2016 (EST)
:::::Clearly not many people know phantom hit. '''Oppose'''. <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small>  22:16, 24 January 2016 (EST)
'''Oppose'''. I hear phantom hit a bit more, but not enough to negate the fact that glancing blow is the official term. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 00:00, 11 November 2018 (EST)

'''Oppose'''. A phantom hit is a unique mechanic in Melee. In Brawl and later games, glancing blow is the appropriate term to describe what happens -- there's really no hit and there's nothing phantom about it! Really, I couldn't think of a better term for it than glancing blow, and using phantom hit for all games would just be nonsensical. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 00:10, 11 November 2018 (EST)

'''Neutral.''' If phantom hits are indeed a unique mechanic, they deserve their own page and this should stay. However, if there is no difference between ''Melee''’s mechanic and the mechanic as seen in future games, I '''support''' a move because I never ever hear the term "glancing blow." <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 00:26, 11 November 2018 (EST)
:It doesn't deserve its own page any more than "Pummel (SSBM)" or something like that does, just because the mechanic works differently in that game. Calling it a unique mechanicw as bad wording on my part, as the outcome only really differs in Brawl and later games in that there are no freeze frames and no knockback. It's just that that difference makes them much weirder and hard to distinguish in Melee, hence the term phantom hit and the stigma around them, which is unique to Melee. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 00:41, 11 November 2018 (EST)
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 '''Neutral.''' If phantom hits are indeed a unique mechanic, they deserve their own page and this should stay. However, if there is no difference between ''Melee''’s mechanic and the mechanic as seen in future games, I '''support''' a move because I never ever hear the term "glancing blow." <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 00:26, 11 November 2018 (EST)
-:It doesn't deserve its own page any more than "Pummel (SSBM)" or something like that does, just because the mechanic works differently in that game. Calling it a unique mechanic was bad wording on my part, as the outcome only really differs in Brawl and later games in that there are no freeze frames and no knockback. It's just that that difference makes them much weirder and hard to distinguish in Melee, hence the term phantom hit and the stigma around them, which is unique to Melee. That's really what I was alluding to. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 00:41, 11 November 2018 (EST)
+:It doesn't deserve its own page any more than "Pummel (SSBM)" or something like that does, just because the mechanic works differently in that game. Calling it a unique mechanicw as bad wording on my part, as the outcome only really differs in Brawl and later games in that there are no freeze frames and no knockback. It's just that that difference makes them much weirder and hard to distinguish in Melee, hence the term phantom hit and the stigma around them, which is unique to Melee. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 00:41, 11 November 2018 (EST)
-'''Oppose''' Since glancing blow is used from Brawl onwards, I think it needs to stay here. Also being called phantom hit in Melee alone isn't enough to move it there. [[File:George Jones.jpg|25px]] [[User:Corrin Fan|Corrin Fan]] [[File:Walls Can Fall.jpg|25px]] 12:49, 12 November 2018 (EST)
-'''Strong Oppose''', per SK and also others. Additionally, I’ve never heard anyone but the Meleelitists call these Phantom Hits. [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] 13:41, 12 November 2018 (EST)Blueflame105
-'''Strong oppose'''. There’s no point in even remotely looking into this. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 16:50, 12 November 2018 (EST)
-Yeah this is kind of based on faulty evidence, since I put the tag there because I had personally never seen "glancing blow", and because of a few Google searches for sides other than here ([https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Fsmashbros+%22phantom+hit%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab][https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Fsmashbros+%22glancing+blow%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab][https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asmashboards.com+%22phantom+hit%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab][https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Asmashboards.com+%22glancing+blow%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab]). I'll withdraw the proposal. [[User:PikaSamus|PikaSamus]] ([[User talk:PikaSamus|talk]]) 17:44, 12 November 2018 (EST)
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