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==Giga Bowser Updates from JoeTE==
This is JoeTE, the guy who started the mass editing of Giga Bowser's moveset into the article. I have an interesting update that can provide some interesting facts if you guys are okay with it.
I have managed to get the applications that allow Action Replay style hacking to be done for Wii games, and have some codes for Brawl. Interestingly, you can use codes to make your character Giga Bowser, a permanent one not linked to a Final Smash. The Giga Bowser functions just like the final smash, but it lasts forever, and also allows other characters to get smash balls(Though Giga Bowser becomes unable to move if he were to get it). Giga Bowser is fully functional(Even with his immunity to knockback), and unlike Melee, the game will not freeze upon a regular match ending(As he has results screen animations, though they aren't exactly complete). All of this can be done with Wario-Man as well, except Wario man has no results screen animations like Giga Bowser, thus the game will freeze upon a match ending.
If you guys would be okay, I might do some big research into all of this, and possibly edit some of this info into the article's triva section, as well as get more testing for his moveset. [[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] ([[User talk:JoeTE|talk]]) 02:14, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I have done some more testing. Here are some more interesting facts about Giga Bowser...
1. His shield cannot be broken by any means. He can still be attacked from the shield though.
2. Not only is Giga Bowser unable to pick up items or use springs, but he also cannot enter through doors or teleporters in Subsapce either.
3. If you select Giga Bowser as your character in a Stamina match, his stamina will never go below a certain point, effectively making him unkillable.
4. Giga Bowser cannot use Smash Balls. If Giga Bowser breaks it, he will not be put into standby mode, and no more smash balls can spawn until Giga Bowser get's KO'd.
5. As mentioned earlier, Giga Bowser has Results screen animations. His Victory animation is simply his regular idle pose, and his loss animation is him in the default "T" position. They aren't complete, but at least he has some(Unlike Wario-Man).
6. Giga Bowser can be attacked by all the final smashes. Too bad they will not knock him back whatsoever...
[[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] ([[User talk:JoeTE|talk]]) 14:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
7. I also now love Giga Bowser's down throw. When facing the blast line, and near an edge with the foe at around 80-100% or higher, it's practically a guaranteed KO. The foe is launched horizontally(Gravity takes effect as well) so fast, it's nearly impossible to recover, almost like being spiked. It's nuts and godly powerful IMO.
*NEW* 8. Updating once again. After adding in more hack facts and clarifying some other stuff, I also went and shortened the Trivia section upon Mr. Anon's suggestion. However, I simply moved about half of the facts to a new section, as they wouldn't fit in any other section(Not even the hack section, as those things can be seen without hacks). And I still love how my name will live on in this article, as it's seen in the screenshot of Giga Bowser fighting Tabuu(Which was taken from one of my videos).
[[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] ([[User talk:JoeTE|talk]]) 01:40, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
:This whole section really isn't necessary, but good work nonetheless. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 04:43, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
== Differences Compiling ==
I have a text document showing all of the added effects to Giga's attacks, Damage dealt by them all, as well as all differences between him and Normal Bowser. While the immunity to knockback is nice, his Up B and Neutral B's have been nerfed. Up B no longer has insane vertical distance, and Neutral B is no longer infinite, but runs on a different diminishing timer than that of Normal Bowser. If okay, I may edit the article with the info I have documented. [[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] 09:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Go ahead! :D [[User:Crystal lucario|~Crystal_Lucario]] 11:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I have updated the page, expanding it to include much more detail, including his moveset, differences from Melee to Brawl, and other misc. information.
[[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] 15:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
== Name of Final Smash ==
== Name of Final Smash ==


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== Moveset ==
== Moveset ==


Is it really necessary to list everything? It's almost identical to [[Bowser (SSBB)#Moveset|Bowser's moveset]]. In the interest of filesize and succinctness (didn't know that was a word), wouldn't it be better to simply note any differences and otherwise just link to Bowser's moveset? [w:c:gunz:user:Aaronwhines|Aaronwhines] 00:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to list everything? It's almost identical to [[Bowser (SSBB)#Moveset|Bowser's moveset]]. In the interest of filesize and succinctness (didn't know that was a word), wouldn't it be better to simply note any differences and otherwise just link to Bowser's moveset? [[w:c:gunz:user:Aaronwhines|Aaronwhines]] 00:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


==Trivia==
==Trivia==
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:::Oh... sorry. I had recently left a tag on the page about the trivia section being too long, and then I looked at the talk page and I found this, and I thought that OT had fixed the problem. My bad not seeing the date. <choose><option><span style="color:red;">[[User:Mr. Anon|Mr.]]</span> <span style="color:green;">[[User talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</span> <span style="color:blue;">[[Special:Contributions/Mr. Anon|teh awsome]]</span></option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Sir]] [[User Talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]] [[Special: Contributions/Mr. Anon| the great]]</option></choose> 04:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh... sorry. I had recently left a tag on the page about the trivia section being too long, and then I looked at the talk page and I found this, and I thought that OT had fixed the problem. My bad not seeing the date. <choose><option><span style="color:red;">[[User:Mr. Anon|Mr.]]</span> <span style="color:green;">[[User talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</span> <span style="color:blue;">[[Special:Contributions/Mr. Anon|teh awsome]]</span></option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Anon]]</option><option>[[User:Mr. Anon|Sir]] [[User Talk:Mr. Anon|Anon]] [[Special: Contributions/Mr. Anon| the great]]</option></choose> 04:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I did that five months ago. Another user by the name of JoeTE did some editing on the page after you posted the trivia tag and after i reviewed the page, I deemed that the trivia section didn't take up too much of the article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 04:40, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I did that five months ago. Another user by the name of JoeTE did some editing on the page after you posted the trivia tag and after i reviewed the page, I deemed that the trivia section didn't take up too much of the article. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 04:40, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
==Re-arranging==
Besides adding a few new things just now, I also moved some facts to different parts of the article for a bit of consistency. I have it set right now so that the Playability via hacking section only contains info related to using Giga Bowser permanently via hacks. The Glitches and other oddities section currently has all glitches and strange oddities compared to other characters that can be seen in-game whether using hacks or not. The Trivia section has any other oddities compared to other characters that cannot be seen in gameplay, such as info contained within Brawl's files, as well as any general trivia that the section is known for. [[User:JoeTE|JoeTE]] ([[User talk:JoeTE|talk]]) 20:52, 30 January 2011 (EST)
==Crowd cheering glitch==
I can't get it to work. I tried a match with a 120% damage handicap Bowser, and 2 300% damage handicap Ganondorfs. I got the Smash Ball and KOd them both at the same time (easy task, but somehow harder than it should be) 3 times. The crowd didn't cheer, or "beep" in this case. To make sure everything was fine, I tried KOing them at the same time with normal Bowser afterwards, all 3 times. Cue immediate cheers. Either that thing in the article about the beeping is false altogether, or it's only true for when the player plays as a permanent Giga Bowser via hacks. Can anyone confirm this? If it's the latter, it should be pointed out in the article. [[User:Espyo|Espyo]] ([[User talk:Espyo|talk]]) 13:40, 24 March 2012 (EDT)
== He's Back ==
Giga Bowser is indeed returning for Smash Bros. 4 as Bowser's Final Smash. We got to see him during E3, at the demos.  Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3i5vsGvkw&feature=youtu.be&t=0m50s
I know the quality isn't that great, but you should be able to identify him.
[[Special:Contributions/24.162.167.55|24.162.167.55]] 16:17, 11 June 2014 (EDT)Anon[[Special:Contributions/24.162.167.55|24.162.167.55]] 16:17, 11 June 2014 (EDT)
== Page Split ==
Since Diddy Kong's Final Smash in Ultimate got its own separate page despite being a new version of his previous one, shouldn't Bowser's Final Smash in Ultimate get its own page? It's an even more drastic change than Diddy's was, and thus should warrant one. --[[User:Burb|Burb]] ([[User talk:Burb|talk]]) 19:13, 29 November 2018 (EST)
:I'm in favor of Giga Bowser Punch and Giga Mac Rush having their own articles. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 20:55, 29 November 2018 (EST)
::Any Final Smash that has a '''different name''' should get their own page. But if it works 100% the same ('''and is not used by a different character'''), the page should probably be renamed to include both names. In Giga Bowser's case, it works differently in ''Ultimate'' then it did in ''Brawl'' and ''Smash 4''. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:04, 29 November 2018 (EST)
:::If it has a different name but works the same way, like Ganondorf's, the only question is whether to keep the article name the same and say "known as XXX in Ultimate," or move the article to the new name and say "known as YYY prior to Ultimate." At least with non-FS special moves, the former seems to have been preferred ([[Hammer Flip]], [[Gale Stab]]). I don't really have a preference myself. [[User:SuperFalconBros|SuperFalconBros]] ([[User talk:SuperFalconBros|talk]]) 21:33, 29 November 2018 (EST)
::::I mean, R.O.B. has a separate page for all three of his alternate Final Smashes. I think Luigi and Rosalina are the only ones who's FS stay more or less the same and don't have separate pages, while Diddy, DK, and R.O.B. have separate pages as the moves work differently in some way. I think Giga Bowser and Giga Mac are the only ones that have a different name and function that have yet to be separated. Aside from the Gigas, the FS pages should probably be changed to reflect the current/latest name. If they're not separated into their own pages, the Gigas' names should probably stay the same as the Gigas are technically characters (either the same or different of their user). [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 21:52, 30 November 2018 (EST)
:::::'''Split Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, and Wario-Man''' per all. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:27, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::::I '''agree''' to split the ''Giga Bowsers'' and ''Giga Macs'' (for reasons above), but I '''oppose''' ''Wario-Man'' as that one kept it name exactly the same (unless the list has yet to update it). [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 22:33, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::::Although the way Wario-Man works changed, it still has the same name. Also, the page has all the changes between the games on there as well. I don't think it makes sense to have two pages named the same like Wario-Man [B/4] and Wario-Man [U]. If the function changed and not the name, why would we make another page for it? Luigi and Rosalina's names changed, but the functions stayed pretty much exactly the same. Both the name and function of the Final Smash need be taken into account, otherwise we'd have nearly identical pages, or ones that say more or less the same info in some areas.
::::::I feel Luigi, Rosalina, and Wario's FS should keep the same pages, while Bowser, Little Mac, and R.O.B.'s FS get different pages. All for reasons previously stated. [[User:Wolff|&#32;Wolff]] ([[User talk:Wolff|talk]]) 22:46, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:::::::I will split the pages now, as everyone seems to be in agreement, if you all change your mind, the changes could be reverted. [[User:Ss4|Ss4]] ([[User talk:Ss4|talk]]) 10:20, 2 December 2018 (EST)
== Shouldn't the moveset links point to specific instances instead of general pages? ==
This was already kinda discussed previously on the [[Talk:List of semi-spikes (SSBM)|talk page]] for the list of SSBM semi-spikes. Basically, when someone clicks on a move link, they're probably expecting to be taken to the hitbox page for that move, rather than the generic page. There's also the issue of duplicate links (one set of links for SSBB & a duplicate one for SSB4). I fixed all the '''list of semi-spikes (SSBX)''' pages, I wouldn't mind fixing Giga Bowser's moveset section. I'm sure it's fine, I just want another user's feedback before making such a big change. [[User:Mariogeek2|Mariogeek2]] ([[User talk:Mariogeek2|talk]]) 20:16, November 30, 2024 (EST)
:I'd say go for it. Since he has his own hitbox data pages, then should probably go ahead an use the standard moveset table like on [[Wario-Man]]. Unfortunately we can't use the template because of how it does links, so that may take a bit. If you want to do just the links for now that'd be fine. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 20:46, November 30, 2024 (EST)
::Thanks; that's what I'll do. I most likely won't get to "fix" the moveset table until after the new year. When I do, I'll probably just copy/paste the template source into the page then hack at it to get it work, since there's no other ''transformation'' final smashes (except for Giga Mac, which is a whole separate issue) that give a new moveset, rather than making another template. [[User:Mariogeek2|Mariogeek2]] ([[User talk:Mariogeek2|talk]]) 21:32, November 30, 2024 (EST)
== Differences from bowser ==
It would be nice to list the differences from normal bowser to giga bowser [[Special:Contributions/81.57.27.93|81.57.27.93]] 11:26, December 28, 2024 (EST)

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