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#Sluggish moves? Ya, so? That has nothing to do with being a bad character. You just need to use them better! | #Sluggish moves? Ya, so? That has nothing to do with being a bad character. You just need to use them better! | ||
#And as for match-ups if Ganondorf's used by a noob then of course he won't stand a chance! | #And as for match-ups if Ganondorf's used by a noob then of course he won't stand a chance! | ||
Freaking arses trying to make excuses for their lack of skill... it pisses me off... | Freaking arses trying to make excuses for their lack of skill... it pisses me off... {{unsigned|70.66.219.126|01:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)}} | ||
:Firstly, sign your comments using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). Secondly, #1 comes out as "1. 1" not "1.". Now, onto the main topic of discussion. You're not a Professional Smasher, or even a Semi-Professional Smasher, so the tier lists, matchups and attributes have no relevance to how you play the game. But, seeing as you have actually raised points, I think it only fair to address them. | :Firstly, sign your comments using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). Secondly, #1 comes out as "1. 1" not "1.". Now, onto the main topic of discussion. You're not a Professional Smasher, or even a Semi-Professional Smasher, so the tier lists, matchups and attributes have no relevance to how you play the game. But, seeing as you have actually raised points, I think it only fair to address them. | ||
:His ability to deal with projectiles, his mobility and his sluggish moves are all poor compared to the other characters. He's extremely slow on the ground and in the air, his jumps are all very short, and most of his moves has large amount of lag. You might have "owned" friends who play as Meta Knight using Ganondorf, but that proves nothing. You're clearly just better than them at ''Brawl''. Ganondorf's recovery is predictable when compared to the other characters. For example, Meta Knight can use all of his specials as recovery moves, and they can all be used in most situations. Ganondorf's recovery isn't just predictable, it's very short, and only two of his moves can be used to recover, neither of which go very far and both of which leave him helpless. The fact that he's so heavy doesn't help. Ganondorf can't combo - no one can in ''Brawl''. A combo is when a character is hit by an attack and is still in hitstun when they are hit again. The hitstun in ''Brawl'' is far too low for there to be any combos. It's a common misconception. "You just need to use them better", "trying to make excuses for their lack of skill" and "if Ganondorf's used by a noob" - the tier list, matchups and attributes are based on ''competitive play''. We don't just have a SmashWiki poll every now and then to decide the new tier list, or work out the matchups. We get them from the [[ | :His ability to deal with projectiles, his mobility and his sluggish moves are all poor compared to the other characters. He's extremely slow on the ground and in the air, his jumps are all very short, and most of his moves has large amount of lag. You might have "owned" friends who play as Meta Knight using Ganondorf, but that proves nothing. You're clearly just better than them at ''Brawl''. Ganondorf's recovery is predictable when compared to the other characters. For example, Meta Knight can use all of his specials as recovery moves, and they can all be used in most situations. Ganondorf's recovery isn't just predictable, it's very short, and only two of his moves can be used to recover, neither of which go very far and both of which leave him helpless. The fact that he's so heavy doesn't help. Ganondorf can't combo - no one can in ''Brawl''. A combo is when a character is hit by an attack and is still in hitstun when they are hit again. The hitstun in ''Brawl'' is far too low for there to be any combos. It's a common misconception. "You just need to use them better", "trying to make excuses for their lack of skill" and "if Ganondorf's used by a noob" - the tier list, matchups and attributes are based on ''competitive play''. We don't just have a SmashWiki poll every now and then to decide the new tier list, or work out the matchups. We get them from the [[Smash World Forums]], and they are worked out by top professional Smashers who, I have to say, know the game far better than you, and are far more skilful at it. Anyway, given his many obvious weaknesses, it's fairly safe to say that Ganondorf is objectively a worse character than Meta Knight. There's not really much room for debate... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 02:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
(Im not that guy but i am a ganondorf player). Ganondorfs recovery can be very predictable but it is not as short as pepole think [[User:Oni Dark Link|<font color="66FFFF">Oni]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Oni Dark Link|<font color="#7F007F">Dark ]]</font> [[User:Oni Dark Link/ Series evaluation|<font color="#007A00">Link]]</font> 20:09, September 19, 2009 (UTC) | (Im not that guy but i am a ganondorf player). Ganondorfs recovery can be very predictable but it is not as short as pepole think [[User:Oni Dark Link|<font color="66FFFF">Oni]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Oni Dark Link|<font color="#7F007F">Dark ]]</font> [[User:Oni Dark Link/ Series evaluation|<font color="#007A00">Link]]</font> 20:09, September 19, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::By "RCO lag", are you referring to the landing lag glitch? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:58, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | :::By "RCO lag", are you referring to the landing lag glitch? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 16:58, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::Yes I am. Like how when we played friendlies after that Deviantart tournament, you were using the side B to make your rco lag have less lag so I couldn't pull off that down throw to f smash combo on you and was soft landing on the platforms so I couldn't punish the rco lag. It's also on Metagame minute episode 10 incase if you didn't know. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 22:57, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | ::::Yes I am. Like how when we played friendlies after that Deviantart tournament, you were using the side B to make your rco lag have less lag so I couldn't pull off that down throw to f smash combo on you and was soft landing on the platforms so I couldn't punish the rco lag. It's also on Metagame minute episode 10 incase if you didn't know. [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] ([[User talk:Doc King|talk]]) 22:57, 23 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
