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| ::Do we really need this page? All of this information ought to be in the moveset pages of each character. Having it all here is a little redundant, but does serve as a way to compare the different moves. I wish there was a way to merge this with [[Forward smash]]. If we have this kind of page for smash attacks, shouldn't we also have one for every other move type in the games? <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 09:37, 31 March 2017 (EDT) | | ::Do we really need this page? All of this information ought to be in the moveset pages of each character. Having it all here is a little redundant, but does serve as a way to compare the different moves. I wish there was a way to merge this with [[Forward smash]]. If we have this kind of page for smash attacks, shouldn't we also have one for every other move type in the games? <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">HUAH!</span>]]</b> 09:37, 31 March 2017 (EDT) |
| :::"''i wish there was a way to merge this with [[Forward smash]]''"
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| :::This page is already a subpage of the forward smash page.
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| :::"''If we have this kind of page for smash attacks, shouldn't we also have one for every other move type in the games?''"
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| :::I don't see why statements like these keep getting made, when experienced users (and especially an admin per the prior convo) by default should assume the nonexistence of similar concept pages is from the fact no one just ever did it at this point, like how the vast majority of the individual move pages are nonexistent or mostly incomplete, rather than act it was an deliberate effort to keep them from being made.
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| :::With that said, of course the other attacks should have such a page to them when this exists. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:56, 31 March 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::I feel that three properties of attacks of a specific input aren't significant enough for their own subpage and only serve to require more page loading for those looking for the strongest and weakest Forward Smashes. I would be fine with having hidden sections or tables on the main page, but the current arrangement is too clunky in my view. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 21:28, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
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| OT, you may have explained what we needed to do with the page, but why is it a ''necessity'' to have? [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color: green;">'''The Evil Clone'''</span>]] 18:30, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :How is objective information that actually reflects gameplay and is of interest to readers a "non-necessity"? You should read CHawk's comment in the very first discussion on this page back from when it was first made, this kind of information is what a wiki is for.
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| :@Nyargle: I do not understand what you are saying; are you trying to claim somehow a subpage affects the loading of the main page, and that "causes more loading" is an actual reason to consider the inclusion of information? <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:45, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::I'm referring to this setup leading to users looking for data either going on the character pages, which wouldn't involve a page like this at all, or Forward smash, which in turn requires navigation to a subpage that's tedious at best from the reader's point of view. The exact phrase I used was pretty oversimplified, but I was referring to loading from a reader's perspective, not a technical one. Of course, I see the value in having this information in sortable tables, so I'm in favor of a '''merge''' with the main page. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 22:19, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
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| :::I largely oppose a merge with the main page as it would needlessly bulk it up. The page layout as we have it is fine, it just needs to be corrected. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 03:37, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
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| ::::If you're referring to how long the later lists are, we could always make the tables collapsible or something. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 13:28, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
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