Editing Talk:EarthBound (universe)

==Victory Theme==
Exactly WHICH song in Mother 3 is this from? It's not the "title theme"...- [[User:Gargomon251|Gargomon251]] ([[User talk:Gargomon251|talk]]) 21:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:To tell you the truth, the song isn't from Mother 3. It's in the first game, Mother. In Mother 3, they used the title song from Mother, which is called "Mother Earth". Mother Earth features a part of the unused lyrics in the first Eight Melodies. --[[User:Pokeflora|Pokeflora]] ([[User talk:Pokeflora|talk]]) 23:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== umm. . . . ==

there really is only one game in the series called earthbound its usually called the mother series not the earthbound series dudes
:It's not called Earthbound in Japanese. Mother 2: Gyiyg Strikes Back is the Japanese name.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 05:40, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that when we're referring to this universe that we should label it as the ''Mother'' universe rather than the ''EarthBound'' universe. In Japan, all three games have "Mother" as the title: ''Mother'', ''Mother 2: Gyiyg Strikes Back'', and ''Mother 3''. So this means that ''Mother'' is the real name of the games (this is more apparent when Shigesato Itoi, creator of the series, said that the inspiration for the name came from John Lennon's song "Mother").  [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 22:20, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:No. It's called Earthbound here. Brawl refers to it as the Earthbound series. That would be like calling Bowser "Koopa" because that is his Japanese name. And you are incorrect that most of the games only have the title "Mother". The first game was intended to be called Earth Bound when it was released here, but unfortunately it got cancelled. The third game was going to be called "Earthbound 64" but that too got cancelled. So really, the series is called Earthbound. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:02, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::It is true that the first ''Mother'' was going to be called ''Earth Bound'' and ''Mother 3'' for the N64 was going to be called ''EarthBound 64'', but due to the cancellation people either refer to it to it's "offical" name ''Mother'' and ''Mother 3'', or their "unofficial" names that the fans call ''EarthBound Zero'' and ''EarthBound 2''. Also Brawl refers to the series as ''EarthBound (Mother)''. And if we're going by what Brawl says, it still retains calling the first game ''Mother'' and the third game ''Mother 3''. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 12:53, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I never said we shouldn't call the first and third games Mother and Mother 3. However, because the one game actually released here in the US was called Earthbound, the title should be Earthbound (universe) rather than Mother (universe). Again, we don't call Bowser "Koopa", nor do we call Boos "Teresas". Similarly, we don't call the Kirby series the "Hoshi no Kaabi series". [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 12:57, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(That's because 星のカービィ [Hoshi no Kābyi] literally translates to "Kirby") Anyway, I guess I could go either way with names. I just think that referring it as the ''Mother'' universe is actually more proper than the calling it the ''EarthBound'' universe as Itoi got the name from John Lennon's song and he stated that he wanted the games to have names that weren't game-like. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 13:14, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

== Nomenclature from Mother 3 ==

*Option 1: Use transliterated versions of Japanese names, such as Yokuba.
*Option 2: Use the professional (albeit unofficial) translated version, such as Fassad.
*Option 3: Use both, such as Yokuba/Fassad.

Which ought we use? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:09, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:Option 2.  [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 21:27, 13 November 2010 (EST)

== Mother or EarthBound Beginnings? ==

I feel that it is a little redundant to write ''Mother/EarthBound Beginnings'' every time we refer to the first installment of the series. Would it be better to drop one of either ''Mother'' or ''EarthBound Beginnings'' so that we don't have to write a slash mark and the alternate name all the time? I personally feel we should keep the EarthBound Beginnings name, because that would provide more consistency with the EarthBound game, as well as the name of the page itself. Also, it is the globalized name of the game. [[User:John3637881|John]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 15:01, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
:I'd stick with both, as while the former is more commonly used, the latter is the official name, so it would be odd to get rid of either. [[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: lime">'''Nyargle'''</span><span style="color: orange">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]]) 15:12, 20 July 2015 (EDT)
::It's a messy situation either way, since both names have legitimate reasons to be used but using both every time is excessive. What makes up my mind on the subject, though, is that Smash itself exclusively uses "Mother", since the "EarthBound Beginnings" name didn't exist until last month; on top of that, the game's been widely known by the "Mother" title in English for literally decades. If we were to choose one of the two to prioritize, I think those two factors are what should drive the decision. I'd personally advocate that the game be called "Mother" in general, and that the "EarthBound Beginnings" name be used only to refer to the history of the VC release. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:43, 20 July 2015 (EDT)

I would also like to add on to the fact that the Smash series itself has never used ''EarthBound Beginnings'' as a title for the first Mother game. This is evident because both Smash 4 titles were released before the official English release of Mother 1 where it was renamed. [[User:Dots|<font color="red">'''D'''</font><font color="green">'''o'''</font><font color="blue">'''t'''</font><font color="purple">'''s'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Dots|talk]]) [[File:Mega Man X SNES sprite.png|19px]] The Bullet 09:32, 11 January 2016 (EST)

== Lucas’ Showcase Song ==

The song is Unfounded Revenge, not Unfounded Revenge/Snashing Song of Praise <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:72.133.91.93|72.133.91.93]] ([[User talk:72.133.91.93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.133.91.93|contribs]]) 8:09, 20 August 2018 (EDT)</small>
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:There is a difference? I figure they would be the same track because of the similar titles. [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|'''Furry Nation''']]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 09:14, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
:It's literally the same track that was in Brawl and SSB4: '''"Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise"'''. Yes, the particular portion the Lucas video plays is the "Unfounded Revenge" portion from Mother 3, but the track as a whole has both songs and is titled as such. '''[[User:Voqéo|<span style="background:#000; color:white; padding:2px 6px;font-size:12px;">Voqéo</span>]][[User talk:Voqéo|<span style="background:#e70012; color:white; padding:2px 4px;font-size:12px;">T</span>]]''' 09:25, 20 August 2018 (EDT)
:: The track wasn’t in SSB4 unless it came with Lucas’ DLC.

== EarthBound Beginnings or Mother ==

During my rewrite I've noticed some sections on this page (as well as the wiki overall) refer to the first game as Mother, and others as EarthBound Beginnings. It's rather inconsistant now, so I feel we should have a consistent name to use. The game has been out for five years and both terms overall are equally used, plus now in Ultimate the game is consistently referred to as EarthBound Beginnings. While the title Mother has been used longer, still using the name feels rather outdated, yet even still EarthBound Beginnings has only been used recently. Despite us not always using official names, I believe, much like with the Powershield debate, EarthBound Beginnings sees usage in both the fandom and now officially, further adding to this when I discussed this on WikiBound it was agreed we use EarthBound Beginnings in general, while Mother is to be used specifically for the Japanese release.

Both names have good reasons to be used, and as for me personally though the way I think is the best is to use "Mother" when referring to the Japanese release or in an instance where it's specifically referred to as such in Smash, and the general term should be "EarthBound Beginnings". The same can be done with other articles, and if necessary we can clarify at the start of the article with something like "(known as Mother in japan)" or "(localized as EarthBound Beginnings)" and use EarthBound Beginnings as the general term throught the article. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegα</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toαd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 01:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT)
:I think it would make sense to standardize using EarthBound Beginnings at this point; the name "EarthBound Beginnings" has been in common use for five years now, it's the official English title of the game, and it is the name used ingame as of Ultimate. However, I think it would be appropriate to leave it as "Mother" when previous Smash games have used it - for example, stickers in Brawl. Though, I'm not sure if those kinds of clarifications would be necessary... considering that articles also already state the Japanese name at the beginning anyway, it feels redundant to add a "known as Mother in Japan" bit there. [[User:LostPainting|lostpainting]] ([[User talk:LostPainting|talk]]) 19:11, July 18, 2020 (EDT)

::Personally I too think it'll get very redundant to always put a clarification for this, it was more of an "if needed" thing, which I don't really think it is. '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegα</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toαd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 21:34, July 18, 2020 (EDT)

So... bump '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Omegɑ</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">Toɑd</font>]]''' [[File:Toad.png|20px]] 21:42, December 19, 2020 (EST)

Prioritize "EarthBound Beginnings", with a note saying "known as ''Mother'' in Japan". That's my take. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 20:50, January 27, 2021 (EST)
:Agreed with this; same deal as ''EarthBound'' and ''Mother 2''. ~ [[User:StrawberryChan|<span style="color: #e68;">'''StrawberryChan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:StrawberryChan|talk]]) 21:56, January 27, 2021 (EST)

Said it on Discord and figured I'd make it clear on-wiki too: "Mother" is the more widely-known name and has been used in Smash in Melee, Brawl, and SSB4. While "EarthBound Beginnings" is official, I feel it should be used only in reference to the English VC release or when Ultimate explicitly names it as such; otherwise, "Mother" should be prioritized. The difference is that EarthBound has been known as such in English since it was localized a year after its Japanese release, whereas "EarthBound Beginnings" was invented as a title decades later. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 19:54, February 20, 2021 (EST)
::''"Mother" is the more widely-known name and has been used in Smash in Melee, Brawl, and SSB4''
:True, but when do we have another case where the Japanese title is used because it outshines/has been used longer than the English name?
::''The difference is that EarthBound has been known as such in English since it was localized a year after its Japanese release, whereas "EarthBound Beginnings" was invented as a title decades later.''
:So if EarthBound wasn't localized until 2015 we'd call it Mother 2 instead because it's been used longer? Sounds really silly. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 20:11, February 20, 2021 (EST)
::Let's not get into what-ifs and hypotheticals here. This is a fairly specific case where we have 20+ years and 3 Smash games where "Mother" was the consistent, common-usage term and only in the mid-2010s did the EarthBound Beginnings title even come into existence. There's a longer history of Western fans using the invented "EarthBound Zero" title than the new official English title. While we would be remiss to not mention "EarthBound Beginnings" as a name, I don't think we should necessarily feel obligated to prioritize it. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:19, February 20, 2021 (EST)
:::Both names are used equally and have valid reasons to be used, only difference is one has existed longer than the other. I still don't think this is a valid reason to discredit using EarthBound Beginnings but best to wait to see what everyone else thinks is best. [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Omegα Toαd,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toαd Wαrrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(BUP)</font>]]''' 21:13, February 20, 2021 (EST)

== Cut tracks ==

Should the cut tracks really count as representation in the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" section of this page? The ''Fire Emblem'' and ''Metal Gear'' universe pages are also like this currently, and i don't agree with them counting as representation, because they're unused. Yes, they're were planned by the devs to be added into the game, but they eventually cut them mid development, and as such are not there representing those series in the actual game anymore, unlike the likes of "Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise". And it's not like we know some the origin of all unused music from ''Brawl'', there's some unused tracks from both the ''Mario'' and ''Wario'' universes that there's no way of being certain of what game those unused tracks came from, and it besides that, it would be weird to have some pages containing information about unused tracks and some that don't. --[[User:Improvisado|Improvisado]] ([[User talk:Improvisado|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Improvisado|contribs]]) 15:41, September 11, 2022  (GMT-3)
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	Should the cut tracks really count as representation in the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" section of this page? The ''Fire Emblem'' and ''Metal Gear'' universe pages are also like this currently, and i don't agree with them counting as representation, because they're unused. Yes, they're were planned by the devs to be added into the game, but they eventually cut them mid development, and as such are not there representing those series in the actual game anymore, unlike the likes of "Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise". And it's not like we know some the origin of all unused music from ''Brawl'', there's some unused tracks from both the ''Mario'' and ''Wario'' universes that there's no way of being certain of what game those unused tracks came from, and it besides that, it would be weird to have some pages containing information about unused tracks and some that don't. --[[User:Improvisado\|Improvisado]] ([[User talk:Improvisado\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Improvisado\|contribs]]) 15:41, September 11, 2022 (GMT-3)		Should the cut tracks really count as representation in the "Media with elements appearing in the Super Smash Bros. series" section of this page? The ''Fire Emblem'' and ''Metal Gear'' universe pages are also like this currently, and i don't agree with them counting as representation, because they're unused. Yes, they're were planned by the devs to be added into the game, but they eventually cut them mid development, and as such are not there representing those series in the actual game anymore, unlike the likes of "Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise". And it's not like we know some the origin of all unused music from ''Brawl'', there's some unused tracks from both the ''Mario'' and ''Wario'' universes that there's no way of being certain of what game those unused tracks came from, and it besides that, it would be weird to have some pages containing information about unused tracks and some that don't. --[[User:Improvisado\|Improvisado]] ([[User talk:Improvisado\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Improvisado\|contribs]]) 15:41, September 11, 2022 (GMT-3)

	I agree, this stuff should absolutely be removed, or at most put in a separate section for unused content (but I would rather not do this). [[User:Rdrfc\|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc\|talk]]) 16:04, September 11, 2022 (EDT)
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