Editing Talk:Duel Zone

==Move to "Fighting Alloy arena" or something like that==
See [[Talk:Final Destination (SSB)#Move back to "Master Hand's residence"|here]]. [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]]) 00:23, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

'''Disagree.''' Just like Final Destination, this is a too-close-to-be-coincidental stage that has no official name and should probably remain backwards-named for ease of understanding. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 10:03, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Duel Zone? ==

According to Google Translate, the Japanese name for this stage (デュエルゾーン), if a space is added (デュエル ゾーン), translates to "Duel Zone."  Note that it's not the same as the Melee/Brawl name, 戦場. Should we move the page, or...? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:05, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure I suggested this a while ago (maybe the talk page wasn't moved?), with my basis being that the [http://www.kirbysrainbowresort.net/multimedia/sounds/cate-higherconsoles.html SSB64 soundtrack I found on Kirby's Rainbow Resort] called it the "Duel Zone". Whether the article should be renamed is a question of being official vs. common knowledge. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Data Node|Data Node]] 16:09, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
::Let us move it.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|20px|:p]] 16:11, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Perhaps we can name it Duel Zone, and mention in the article how the stage is commonly known as Battlefield due to its similarities with the stage of the same name in ''Melee'' and ''Brawl''. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:17, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
:The similarity thing is already mentioned, but if we decide not to move it, make a mention of its name in Japanese. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 16:18, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Alright, is the current version an appropriate compromise? [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:57, 24 October 2010 (EDT)
:It looks fine, though a move to Duel Zone would have been fine with me. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span>[[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 05:05, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

There was an agreed-upon compromise that was not a move. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 00:09, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So far I '''support''' the move per the reason in the {{t|Move}} tag, but can an established user move the page back to it's original title until consensus is reached? [[User:Superbound|Superbound]] ([[User talk:Superbound|talk]]) 12:19, December 27, 2020 (EST)

Do people refer it more as "Duel Zone" or "Battlefield"? [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 13:12, December 27, 2020 (EST)
:It doesn't really matter what people refer to it as. The Wiki always uses official names for things like fighters, moves, and of course, stages. The official name is very clearly Duel Zone. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 19:26, December 28, 2020 (EST)
::Yeah that's [[SmashWiki:SmashWiki is not official|not]] [[tech|necessarily]] the case. Exceptions can, and sometimes are, made to that. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 20:28, December 28, 2020 (EST)
:::I'm quite familiar with SW:NOT, but as I'm sure you're aware, there are definitely things that we always use official names for. Again, for article titles we ALWAYS use official names for stages, just like we use official names for fighters. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 20:33, December 28, 2020 (EST)

Bumping this with '''support''' for the move, I understand [[SW:NOT]] is a thing but it just seems really dumb to be willfully inconsistent with every single other stage? It's a matter of scope here, in my opinion; I don't see us suddenly changing Simon's SSBU page to Simon Belmont, despite players sometimes using their full names. If anything, this name change should have happened a long time ago. I think this is very different to "fanon" terminology such as tech since Ultimate outright states the stage's name, among other media. Hell, I've seen players call it Duel Zone before, it's not like the entire community calls it Battlefield. On the flip side, with "tech", that's not just a Smash term but a fighting game term as well, which extends far out of simple fanon. Why aren't we having Duel Zone be the standard name while Battlefield (SSB) serves as the redirect? --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #e68;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 03:18, April 10, 2021 (EDT)
:'''Oppose.''' I've always been of the opinion that the localisers of ''Ultimate'' gave it that name in English <!--and, by extension, every language other than Japanese :P--> due to [[wikipedia:Circular reporting|citogenesis]]. <span style="font-family:Formata Regular">[[User:RickTommy|<span style="color:red">Rick</span>]][[User talk:RickTommy|<span style="color:green">Tommy</span>]]</span> 03:30, April 10, 2021 (EDT)
::'''Support''' The citogenesis argument would mean that the travk would call it Battlefield (64) due to its similarity to future games' stages with the same layout and use for multi-man battles, not Duel Zone. Regardless, the unofficial rule really should not apply here, and should honestly only apply for fighting game terms like techs or forward tilts, not tossed around like we shouldn't follow what the games do. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 18:14, April 10, 2021 (EDT)

To be clear, an official source referencing itself can't really be considered circular reporting, but even if if was it would be irrelevant for our purpose because it would still be a name in official use. I was the one putting up this move tag so I '''support''' it, of course.  [[User:Rdrfc|Rdrfc]] ([[User talk:Rdrfc|talk]]) 03:48, April 11, 2021 (EDT)

'''Support'''. Considering the stage has always been known as Duel Zone, I think this would be the right move. That said, I believe we should continue to use "Battlefield" on competitive-relevant pages such as [[Stage legality]]. No one within the competitive community really calls it Duel Zone. [[User:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:#850FFA; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Señor'''</span> <span style="color:#850FFA;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px green">'''Mexicano'''</span>]] ''[[User talk:SenorMexicano|<span style="color:lightpurple;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px lightgreen">(talk)</span>]]'' 05:19, April 11, 2021 (EDT)

(Bumping this) '''Support''' per reasons above. I think Alex made the right call with his point above. [[User:Awesomelink234|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234|talk]]) 00:58, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
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	(Bumping this) '''Support''' per reasons above. I think Alex made the right call with his point above. [[User:Awesomelink234\|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234\|talk]]) 00:58, June 17, 2021 (EDT)		(Bumping this) '''Support''' per reasons above. I think Alex made the right call with his point above. [[User:Awesomelink234\|<span style="font-size:10pt;background:#00FF20;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px;color:#050DF7">Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer</span>]] ([[User talk:Awesomelink234\|talk]]) 00:58, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

	'''Support''' per reasons above. While citogenesis would be a concern if "Duel Zone" was an unofficial fan nickname, the fact that it's simply a direct English translation of the stage's official Japanese name weakens that argument; as 72.219.72.215 pointed out, most SSB64 songs are given different titles in SSBU in order to be consistent with later titles (e.g. "Planet Zebes Stage" becomes "Brinstar (64)"), and yet Duel Zone (along with Meta Crystal and a few others) retains its original name instead of being updated to "Battlefield (64)". The fact that SmashWiki is not official means that we should not drop use of the "Battlefield" name entirely, but I do think that the official name takes precedence for the article's name. --[[User:PeabodySam\|PeabodySam]] ([[User talk:PeabodySam\|talk]]) 18:34, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
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