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| ::I'll point out that ckyu, then known as Quang, was a Fox and Ice Climbers main when he made HM on the 2019 MPGR, so it's completely irrelevant to his significance as a DK player. Looking into it deeper, it doesn't appear he used DK at any major tournaments before TBH10. That also brings into question how much of the wins cited were actually with DK; I can see he won against Bobby and Kalvar at Genesis 9 using DK, but the other wins that were claimed in the IP's reverted entry are not accounted for at Genesis 9 nor TBH10. Given that, I'll veto adding him for now as it's too soon to add off of just two results, unless evidence of significant DK usage is shown before this. I'll also agree with not adding Junebug over just a single result, while also just like ckyu, none of the cited wins in the reverted entry actually occurred with Junebug's lone cited result at Collision. IP, you can't be listing wins the player got with other characters or at locals in these sections. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:49, April 26, 2023 (EDT) | | ::I'll point out that ckyu, then known as Quang, was a Fox and Ice Climbers main when he made HM on the 2019 MPGR, so it's completely irrelevant to his significance as a DK player. Looking into it deeper, it doesn't appear he used DK at any major tournaments before TBH10. That also brings into question how much of the wins cited were actually with DK; I can see he won against Bobby and Kalvar at Genesis 9 using DK, but the other wins that were claimed in the IP's reverted entry are not accounted for at Genesis 9 nor TBH10. Given that, I'll veto adding him for now as it's too soon to add off of just two results, unless evidence of significant DK usage is shown before this. I'll also agree with not adding Junebug over just a single result, while also just like ckyu, none of the cited wins in the reverted entry actually occurred with Junebug's lone cited result at Collision. IP, you can't be listing wins the player got with other characters or at locals in these sections. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 14:49, April 26, 2023 (EDT) |
| :::Yeah I didn't look into ckyu's majors before they really started to play DK and assumed they were always a DK main. I'm taking back my support for now. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:14, April 26, 2023 (EDT) | | :::Yeah I didn't look into ckyu's majors before they really started to play DK and assumed they were always a DK main. I'm taking back my support for now. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 15:14, April 26, 2023 (EDT) |
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| == Junebug ==
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| Reopening discussion on Junebug since I think he pretty clearly belongs now. First DK main ever on SSBMRank and from what I can find the largest tournament ever won with solo DK https://www.start.gg/tournament/xanadu-legends-xanadu-500-edition/details . Has beaten Polish, Dawson, Khryke, mvlvchi, Kalvar, JJM, and Kevin Maples with DK. Even if he dropped DK tomorrow he's already relevant to the competitive history of the character. [[User:Jaydyn|Jaydyn]] ([[User talk:Jaydyn|talk]]) 20:32, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
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| :Repeating from what I said on the Discord server when this was brought up earlier today; this matter hasn't really changed from last time this was brought up when Collision is still the only major he entered with DK (not even a supermajor), and he has only entered one more regional since, while the two regionals he has entered were pretty good sized but not that exceptional. That is too few results to justify putting him on so soon, and putting him in now would be falling for recency bias that plagued these sections before they were overhauled (I would question how he was even eligible to be ranked with so few tournaments, let alone be ranked top 50, but that's not a discussion for here). The half year rankings additionally are a lot less prestigious than the full year rankings and should not be considered in the same vein as them. I have little doubt Junebug will merit it eventually, but he is not at the point I'm convinced his placing in the section would have staying power if he does to DK what he did to Doc last year and drops him before entering anything more substantial.
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| :If we were to add someone new, ckyulmiqnudaetr (or we'll just call him Quang because that tag is annoying to type) would be the better candidate at this moment even if he technically wasn't ranked on the half year SSBMRank, when he has added two more supermajors to his resume since the last time it was brought up, including a 33rd out of 764 players at {{trn|Get On My Level 2023}}, tying Phis-It's record for best supermajor placement for a solo Donkey Kong player in Melee's history. Even with Quang I would probably wait a bit to see how this DK resurgence develops more, but I wouldn't oppose people wanting to add him now. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:00, August 7, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Junebug has attended more than 2 regionals, but most of his results haven't been put on the wiki yet. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 12:10, August 9, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::Thanks for the correction. Seeing how they're all MDVA regionals over a short period though, so he does still only have the one major and not even any superregionals to supplement, my stance is unchanged. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:26, August 9, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::I get the worry about recency bias, but I think there's at times a tendency to go in the other direction and penalize people who have had more total achievement than others due to it happening in a shorter time frame. I also think that while the mid year rankings are clearly not as prestigious as the full year ranking, they are still noteworthy enough that being the first of your character on them is enough to be historically significant long term. That being said it's probably worth pausing this discussion until after Smash Con as that will address some of what's been discussed here (Especially since he'd become the highest placing DK at a supermajor if he places to his seed). [[User:Jaydyn|Jaydyn]] ([[User talk:Jaydyn|talk]]) 19:04, August 9, 2023 (EDT)
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| :::Six months is a very brief timeframe, especially for a game with over 20 years of history, and it's hard to say Junebug has "more total achievement" than other historical DKs when he has used DK at only a single major and a handful of MDVA regionals thus far, his case right now is largely resting on a half-year ranking that will be supplanted once the full end of year rankings come out. But yes, we can potentially revisit this depending on how Smash Con turns out (and I see Quang is entering it too, so a stronger performance there will certainly push him ahead of Junebug for getting listed, the Summer SSBMRank be damned). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:43, August 10, 2023 (EDT)
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| == Dair Name Conflict ==
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| The down aerial's name was originally added in Sep. 12 by [[User:Diddy Kongstar|Diddy Kongstar]], who added all the move names "from the strategy guide." I checked the [https://archive.org/details/SuperSmashBros.MeleeOfficialPlayersGuide/page/n15/mode/2up Nintendo Power Official Player's Guide], and the dair name (Flying Stomp) didn't match the name added by Kongstar (Flying Stampede). It's possible the user got it from the Prima Strategy Guide (my best guess), which would mean it's incorrect and needs to be changed. What say ye? <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mariogeek2|Mariogeek2]] ([[User talk:Mariogeek2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mariogeek2|contribs]]) 20:07, November 3, 2024 (EST)</small>
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| :It looks like Kongstar may have just copy-pasted and forgot to update it as everything else matches the Nintendo Power guide. I'll go ahead and correct it. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 21:21, November 3, 2024 (EST)
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| ::Great! Appreciate your consistent help/feedback. [[User:Mariogeek2|Mariogeek2]] ([[User talk:Mariogeek2|talk]]) 21:45, November 3, 2024 (EST)
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