Editing Talk:Dark Pit (SSB4)

== Clearer Artwork ==

I've found a clearer picture of Dark Pit's artwork. I can't upload it due to my not having an account. http://i.imgur.com/9mKEinM.jpg

== Differences from Pit section? ==

Should there be a section that goes over the differences between him and Pit? Need to have it somewhere and the only difference I've seen concrete is his final smash and maybe a different arm.[[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 17:57, 13 September 2014 (EDT)
: Sorry, left that unsigned. I found this game explain but outside of already discussed changes I can't see anything. Does he run slower of hav different knocback trajectories? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytemODJGUuI [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 17:57, 13 September 2014 (EDT)

His backair kills at the same percents as Pit, 130% against Marth on FD default position in training mode, who lives at 129%
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[[Special:Contributions/67.190.163.113|67.190.163.113]] 01:34, 12 October 2014 (EDT)
Also his bair has a sweetspot, you do 12% if you landed it compared to 8%. More importantly, his ftilt is definitely weaker than pit's. Pit's kills at 127 sweetspot (10% damage dealt) and 177 nonsweetspot (7%) and dark pit kills at 156/215
[[Special:Contributions/67.190.163.113|67.190.163.113]] 01:47, 12 October 2014 (EDT)

New to editing Wiki pages, but most of Dark Pit's "differences" info is flat-out incorrect.
Pit and Dark Pit share the EXACT same recovery distance, movement speed, and idle animation speed.
The also share their 3-hit combo, forward throw, down smash, and back air strength, as well as a spike on their down air.
They do, however, have different forward tilt strength, with Pit K.O.ing at the right side blast line from the CPU spawn point at 134%/183%, and Dark Pit at 161%/223%.
:I do believe what you're saying, although I'll wait for some second opinions before removing most of it. However I'm certain that Pit can meteor smash, and I never noticed any difference with the idle poses, so I'll remove those to start off with. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]] 06:04, 14 October 2014 (EDT)
:I did a few tests to see which attacks were different. So far, it seems that Dark Pit's side tilt, neutral special, side special, and final smash are the only attacks that are different from Pit's attacks. [[Special:Contributions/73.184.24.39|73.184.24.39]] 11:30, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

Can someone confirm if Dark Pit's Striking Flight does slightly more damage and slightly more knockback than Pit's does, as it says on the Power of Flight page? If it is one of the few differences between the two Pits, it should go into the Differences list, right?
:I'm not sure if the difference should be listed in this article since it is a custom move. It's also the only time that the default special move is the exact same as another character, but one of its variations is slightly different. [[User:LimitCrown|LimitCrown]] ([[User talk:LimitCrown|talk]]) 14:54, 14 November 2014 (EST)
If it's a rare exception like you said, maybe it would still be all right since there's no other case like this with any other character and this would be the only time. But I guess I'm not sure if it really should go on the list since I haven't read the policy for new information in its entirety.
=== New Render/Profile Image == 

I have uploaded a straight rip from the cart of Dark Pit to the site. I don't believe I have the ability to edit pages (or at least this one). If someone would like they can add it in themselves. 

<nowiki>[[File:Dark_Pit_SSB4_Render.png]]</nowiki>

--[[User:Jaeger|Jaeger]] ([[User talk:Jaeger|talk]]) 21:27, 17 September 2014 (EDT)

== Trivia ==

Dark Pit can also be seen in the illustration on Palutena's page on the Smash Bros website. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Sir Jolteon|Sir Jolteon]] ([[User talk:Sir Jolteon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sir Jolteon|contribs]]) 10:42, 28 September 2014 (EDT)</small>

:I'm not sure if that's notable enough. Also, sign your comments with 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User: Rtzxy | <span style="color: darkorange;"> '''Rtzxy''' </span>]] [[File:Signature SmashBall.jpeg]] [[User talk: Rtzxy | <span style="color:darkblue;"> '''Smashing!''' </span>]] 11:45, 28 September 2014 (EDT)
That's probably not notable trivia, unless you can elaborate.<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Littlesquirtle|Littlesquirtle]] ([[User talk:Littlesquirtle|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Littlesquirtle|contribs]]) 22:14, 4 October 2014 (EDT)</small>

== Palette Swap Trivia ==

Yes, Pittoo was inspired by Pit's black colour swap. However, that black colour swap '''was not intended to represent Pittoo''', as Uprising did not exist at the time of Brawl's release. Meanwhile, using Mario's yellow colour scheme as an example, Wario had existed for several years at the time of ''SSB64'', so the colour scheme is a clear homage to him. You can't say the same for Pittoo--and the fact that Wario was added to Smash first means the trivia is incorrect anyway. Also, there are design differences--Pittoo has gold highlights on his outfit and a golden laurel where the Brawl palette has black only. This trivia note is inaccurate on multiple levels and that is why I have objected to it. --[[User:NinjaCoachZ|NinjaCoachZ]] ([[User talk:NinjaCoachZ|talk]]) 19:32, 21 February 2015 (EST)

== Here's the thing ==
In Kid Icarus Uprising Dark Pit uses the Lightning Chariot to defeat a boss, or rack up powerful damage, kind of like how Pit uses the Three Sacred Treasures, he only uses the staff a total of one time to snipe Pit from a cliff, so it would be expected that with Pit's Final Smash Dark Pit's would be the Lightning Chariot. It makes almost no sense for him to be using the staff for his Final Smash due to the fact that in that game he only uses it once. The Lightning Chariot makes much more sense as a Final Smash due to him using it more than once and it being more polished. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nintenzilla|contribs]]) 10:59, March 27, 2015‎</small>
:While that may be true, that's not something to put in the trivia. That's basically saying "hey, they did this, but because of the game, it would make more sense to do this". I can name [[Negative Zone|several]] [[Aura Storm|different]] [[Puff Up|Final]] [[Dedede Burst|Smashes]] that follow this rule as well. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 11:05, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

I guess the same thing could also be said on a lesser extent to Mega Man's Final Smash, I know a person who was upset that he didn't use his Super Armor. (Don't get why but okay)Nintenzilla 11:40, 27 March 2015 (EDT)
:I know a lot of people who complain about Kirby not going Crash, but, nonetheless, it's still basically speculation. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 11:44, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

You're right, OK I won't put it down. Nintenzilla 11:50, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

== Dark Pit a Veteran ==

The Smash Bros website never does these kinds of things. It's not just because he's a secret character, Duck Hunt and Bowser Jr. are listed as Newcomers and they're both secret, I also kind of agree with the site, since Dark Pit was a costume in Brawl that does technically make him a veteran. Though wouldn't that make him a pseudo veteran?[[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
:...What? No... it doesn't. Costume swaps do not count as characters. Also, PLEASE read [[SW:1RV|this]] and start following it. I am getting sick of these revert wars. I've stayed out until now, but it is seriously getting on my nerves. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 22:37, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
I'm sorry, I'll go to the talk page from now on! Still, if Alph was a character wouldn't he apply as a veteran?[[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 23:09, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
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 == Here's the thing ==
-In Kid Icarus Uprising Dark Pit uses the Lightning Chariot to defeat a boss, or rack up powerful damage, kind of like how Pit uses the Three Sacred Treasures, he only uses the staff a total of one time to snipe Pit from a cliff, so it would be expected that with Pit's Final Smash Dark Pit's would be the Lightning Chariot. It makes almost no sense for him to be using the staff for his Final Smash due to the fact that in that game he only uses it once. The Lightning Chariot makes much more sense as a Final Smash due to him using it more than once and it being more polished. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nintenzilla|contribs]]) 10:59, March 27, 2015</small>
+In Kid Icarus Uprising Dark Pit uses the Lightning Chariot to defeat a boss, or rack up powerful damage, kind of like how Pit uses the Three Sacred Treasures, he only uses the staff a total of one time to snipe Pit from a cliff, so it would be expected that with Pit's Final Smash Dark Pit's would be the Lightning Chariot. It makes almost no sense for him to be using the staff for his Final Smash due to the fact that in that game he only uses it once. The Lightning Chariot makes much more sense as a Final Smash due to him using it more than once and it being more polished. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nintenzilla|contribs]]) 10:59, March 27, 2015‎</small>
 :While that may be true, that's not something to put in the trivia. That's basically saying "hey, they did this, but because of the game, it would make more sense to do this". I can name [[Negative Zone|several]] [[Aura Storm|different]] [[Puff Up|Final]] [[Dedede Burst|Smashes]] that follow this rule as well. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 11:05, 27 March 2015 (EDT)
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 :...What? No... it doesn't. Costume swaps do not count as characters. Also, PLEASE read [[SW:1RV|this]] and start following it. I am getting sick of these revert wars. I've stayed out until now, but it is seriously getting on my nerves. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 22:37, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
 I'm sorry, I'll go to the talk page from now on! Still, if Alph was a character wouldn't he apply as a veteran?[[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 23:09, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
-:No? 4 is the only smash he's appeared as a character in (he might be a trophy in brawl, not sure). [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 23:39, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
-::Ok:
-::#Dark Pit is no veteran. He didn't even exist before Uprising. The dark alt Pit had in Brawl served as an inspiration for the character.
-::#Alph didn't exist when Brawl was released. Pikmin 3 came out YEARS after that.
-::[[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 23:49, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
-:::Let me state a better example of what I was saying, if the Koopalings were their own playable characters, would they be treated as veterans?[[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 00:14, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-::::This "if" question gets us nowhere. Koopalings are very clearly not separate characters, but rather costume/pallet swaps of Bowser Jr., exactly what Dark Pit (who, as Aidan pointed out, didn't exist in Brawl's time.) is. The fact that "Dark Pit" was a pallet swap in Brawl does not mean that he was a separate playable character, ergo, not a veteran in 4. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 00:57, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-::::Also, sorry Aidan, I have not even touched or looked at any Pikmin game. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:-1px -1px #00bb77;">'''Serpent King'''</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 00:59, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-:::::Well if you have the chance try picking one up cause they're actually really good![[User:Nintenzilla|Nintenzilla]] ([[User talk:Nintenzilla|talk]]) 07:44, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-<small>(Reset indent) </small>They are, to be quite honest. Pikmin 3 is a beautiful game. [[File:Aidanzapunksignature.png|20px]][[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Master of Speed and Aura'''</span>]][[File:AidanzapunkSignaturesmall.PNG]] 09:23, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
-== Trailer ==
-Palutena's trailer is listed as Palutena and Dark Pit's on [[List of Super Smash Bros. 4 character trailers]]. Furthermore, "proper" is incredibly subjective and unencyclopedic. Whether or not Dark Pit has a trailer or a "proper" trailer is up for debate, but he definitely does not have splash art. That is what should be listed. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 21:32, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
-Bumping this, since it's been buried in recent changes. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 21:30, 1 May 2018 (EDT)
-If no one has any objections, I'll go ahead and make the change. [[User:TheNuttyOne|TheNuttyOne]] 23:23, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
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