Editing Talk:Combo video

== ? ==
i watche some combo videoes and sometimes it looked like they were really TYRINg to make a CV, ie losing on purpose for the purpose of the CV. is this true? put any crew TL combo videos here too!

yeah, most people say, im gonna make a combo video soon, and they start trying cool combos [[User:JtM|JtM =^&#93;]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 21:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

==Against Deletion==
So this page is clearly uncovered from the time of olde. Rather than it being self-explanatory, it's a stub. A notable mentioning of combo videos and... combo'ers per say. Hey, it's a start. I really spent some time sprucing it up. :[[User: RobSir_zx|<font color="blue">'''RobSir '''</font><font color="orange">'''zx'''</font>]] 01:56, 31 December 2015 (EST)
:What's a combo video? A video of someone performing combos. That's all there is to say really. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 01:58, 31 December 2015 (EST)
'''Weak support'''. The only reason I can see this being deleted is if there is no decent examples of a combo video. Other than that, yeah, it is a plausible reason for deletion. My only opposition is that a lot of people in the smash community appreciate combo videos, so even if it is self-explanatory, I can see this being used as a list of combo videos as well as the definition. [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 08:21, 31 December 2015 (EST)
'''oppose''' all i think it needs is a bunch of combo videos (notable ones) and then its good [[User:Nintendofan1653|<font color="red">'''Nintendofan1653'''</font>]] ''([[User talk:Nintendofan1653#top|<font color="blue">talk</font>]])'' the true north strong and free 16:15, 31 December 2015 (EST)

'''Support'''; this could easily be a glossary entry without losing anything of value. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 18:56, 31 December 2015 (EST) 

''''' Support'''''. No need, plus this can be explained in one sentence. [[Special:Contributions/98.157.202.185|98.157.202.185]] 16:28, 1 January 2016 (EST)
:'''Support'''. ''Why'' was this ever a page to begin with? [[User:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:Green; text-shadow: 0px 0px 3px green">'''Disaster'''</span> <span style="color:Blue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px blue">'''Flare'''</span>]] [[File:Disaster Flare signature image.png|20px]] ''[[User talk:Disaster Flare|<span style="color:SkyBlue;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px skyblue">(talk)</span>]]'' 16:31, 1 January 2016 (EST)

'''Support'''. Self explanatory. It's not really necessary. -- [[User:Ethan7|<span style="color:#000f55;font-family:Cursive;font-style:italic">Ethan</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:Ethan7|<span style="color:Blue">Discussion</span>]])''</small> 21:11, 1 January 2016 (EST)

==Recreation==
So I just realized now this page got deleted, seven years late to this but better late than never. The deletion reasons given prior are just awful: Starting with the reason in the deletion tag:

"''do we REALLY need this? Seems a bit self explanatory and a pema-stub''"

Starting with "do REALLY need this", aside from not at all explaining the problem with this article, combo videos and montages have been one of the primary sources of Smash content creation since the dawn of competitive Smash, and many players have cited them as the thing that got them into competitive Smash. That's pretty damn notable I would say, not to mention we have a [[:Category:Combo videos|combo videos category]] and articles about individual combo videos that were particularly influential, how are we going to have said category and articles while not having an article covering the overall concept of a combo video? Additionally, what is "self-explanatory" about this article, and citing "perma-stub" as a reason for deletion is an outright violation of our [[SW:DELETE#Bad deletion candidates|deletion policy]], an article's content being short is not a valid reason for deletion {while this article could certainly be expanded regardless).

"''The only reason I can see this being deleted is if there is no decent examples of a combo video.''"

See the aforementioned combo videos category, while people could just add examples to this page...

"''this could easily be a glossary entry without losing anything of value.''"

This article's already short content is too hefty for a glossary entry, and you certainly aren't going to fit relevant things into a glossary entry like what separates good combo videos/montages from bad ones, their influence on the Smash scene, and the examples of the most influential combo videos/montages.

"''Why was this ever a page to begin with?''"

Why was this ever posted as a serious deletion reason to begin with?

"''Self explanatory. It's not really necessary.''"

Do I really need to explain how this is another bad deletion reason?

With that, I'm reopening the discussion to keep this page. I laid out my refutes to the above on how combo videos and montages are a notable aspect of the Smash community that should be covered by the wiki, and if solid deletion reasons aren't given, this page will remain up. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:37, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

'''Oppose''' Per above, combo videos are a noteworthy topic in Smash, plus weak reasons supporting deletion in the previous discussion. '''[[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Awesome</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Cardinal 2000</span>]]''' 12:16, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

'''Oppose deletion''': Combo videos are among the most well known Smash videos that have significant relevance in the community, something like this is well worth having an article. Nothing else to add that hasn't already been said. [[File:Ness EB Sprite.png|20px]] '''[[User:Ultimate Toad|<font color="blue">Ultimate Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Ultimate Toad|<font color="gold">the Ness main.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ultimate Toad|<font color="red">(Fuzzy pickles!)</font>]]''' 22:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

'''Strong oppose'''. This is definitely an attempt at getting a competetively notable stub page deleted for no reason to me, when the article could just explain its topic in a few sentences. Whoever tagged this article may not understand this wiki's policies (not trying to be mean), especially [[SW:DELETE]] and [[SW:NOTABLE]]. I defenitely agree with you Tyrant that a strong and truthful reason should be given on how this page couldn't've been notable. A competetive stub tag seems more suitable than just outright deletion imo. [[User:Jordan P.|Jordan P.,]] [[User talk:Jordan P.|the Sora main]] [[File:SoraHeadSSBUWebsite.png|15px]] 20:19, June 20, 2023 (EDT)
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