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| '''Strong Delete''' Just a special effect.[[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font> <font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 23:14, 18 May 2014 (EDT) | | '''Strong Delete''' Just a special effect.[[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font> <font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 23:14, 18 May 2014 (EDT) |
| :'''Strong support'''. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 15:53, 19 May 2014 (EDT) | | :'''Strong support'''. {{s|user|Red}} ([[User talk:Red|talk]]) [[File:RedSig.png|12px|link=Special:Contributions/Red|Red]] 15:53, 19 May 2014 (EDT) |
| <s>'''Strong support''' There's no need to have a page for something like this...</s> [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:58, 19 May 2014 (EDT)
| | '''Strong support''' There's no need to have a page for something like this... [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 15:58, 19 May 2014 (EDT) |
| :I strongly '''oppose''' because I don't see any reason to delete the article, as we have articles on things like [[tumbling]]. I could see it being merged with [[knockback]] or [[damage]], but a full deletion is unnecessary. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:53, 21 May 2014 (EDT) | | :I strongly '''oppose''' because I don't see any reason to delete the article, as we have articles on things like [[tumbling]]. I could see it being merged with [[knockback]] or [[damage]], but a full deletion is unnecessary. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:53, 21 May 2014 (EDT) |
| I don't think I phrased this correctly. It is a special effect that is dependent on the direction of knockback. Should we have an article on the blue ring in Brawl created when a player bounces on the wall? No. Instead, it's just proper to add a sentence to the page saying that there will be a blue ring around the player when they bounce. As for this effect, I can barely see it over the smoke, so I don't think it deserves to be mentioned. And tumbling actually affects gameplay, so it's not exactly a special effect. [[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 22:02, 22 May 2014 (EDT) | | I don't think I phrased this correctly. It is a special effect that is dependent on the direction of knockback. Should we have an article on the blue ring in Brawl created when a player bounces on the wall? No. Instead, it's just proper to add a sentence to the page saying that there will be a blue ring around the player when they bounce. As for this effect, I can barely see it over the smoke, so I don't think it deserves to be mentioned. And tumbling actually affects gameplay, so it's not exactly a special effect. [[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 22:02, 22 May 2014 (EDT) |
| :Angle indicators are significant though, because they tell the exact angle at which an attack sends a character (while the smoke trail indicates the angle at which a character is sent flying). I still support a merge, probably with the knockback article. There really isn't a need for the article to be outright deleted, and the blue rings you mentioned could be useful information on the articles we have on walls, floors, and ceilings. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:59, 22 May 2014 (EDT) | | :Angle indicators are significant though, because they tell the exact angle at which an attack sends a character (while the smoke trail indicates the angle at which a character is sent flying). I still support a merge, probably with the knockback article. There really isn't a need for the article to be outright deleted, and the blue rings you mentioned could be useful information on the articles we have on walls, floors, and ceilings. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:59, 22 May 2014 (EDT) |
| ::This article is so significant hat it's about a kilobyte of info. About 950 without the delete tag.[[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 22:54, 25 May 2014 (EDT) | | ::This article is so significant hat it's about a kilobyte of info. About 950 without the delete tag.[[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="purple">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="silver">the</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="red">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 22:54, 25 May 2014 (EDT) |
| :::Amount of info doesn't make an article significant or insignificant. You want it gone for no good reason (at least I haven't seen one yet). <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 23:22, 25 May 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Bringing this back. Well I don't see any difference between the angle a character is launched and the angle in which they are sent flying.[[User:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="#665C2A">the</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Qwerty|<font face="sand" color="#08CFCC">lord</font>]] [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] is watching you 22:31, 12 June 2014 (EDT)
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| '''Oppose''' as I honestly believe that the smoke trail ''does'' deserve an entire article. --[[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) 23:42, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
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| :Please don't post in a way that splits my sig in half. Read [[SW:TALK]]. And also, we're all in favor of not creating a smoke trail, so it's an argument for whether we should keep ''this'' article or not. Now start arguing with my last post if you really believe this deserves a page.<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">the</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">lord</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 14:43, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
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| What's the verdict? Anyone else want to weigh in? <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 20:54, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :'''Oppose''' I didn't even know about angle indicators before I saw this article, but now I can spot them in-game fairly easily, and I use it as a reference to help me learn knockback angles. I oppose a delete, but a merge with Knockback sounds reasonable. [[User:FirstaLasto|<font color="pink">♡</font>'''Firsta'''Lasto<font color="pink">♥</font>]] 21:37, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::It's been 5 posts and you guys still aren't answering: What is the difference between being launched and being sent flying? I can eyeball the angle in which the character is hit anyway. <font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 22:25, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :::The angle indicator and smoke trail have the same function, but appear at different times during the knockback process. I made a mistake earlier. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 22:31, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Since they have the same function, and you implied in one of your posts that the smoke trail is insignificant (...Angle indicators are significant, '''''though'''''... this says that you don't think that smoke trails are significant). Now that I've knocked down every counterpoint in the discussion... anything else that is good about this page?<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 23:42, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :::Um, how exactly do the angle indicator and the smoke trail have the same function? At all? The smoke trail only tells you the path you previously took (not useful), while the angle indicator shows you the path you're about to take (useful, can DI to suit if you have the reaction time). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Riotous 23:51, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Both have to do with highlighting trajectory. <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 23:55, 16 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :::::Adding on, if you're that technical of a player, you would be able to know the knockback angle of any well-used KO move (the only place where that type of DI would be useful). And DI barely helps survivability, and that's a given. So... Next?<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 00:02, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::::"Next?" You haven't debunked any of my points, nor have you successfully argued against merging this page with the knockback article. DI helps survivability and can alter the angle at which you're sent flying, what are you going on about there? <font face="LuzSans-Book" size="3">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 00:08, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| Oh sorry. That was SDI I was thinking about.
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| So anyways, anyone who can DI in that small time frame would probably know the knockback angle of a well-used KO move.
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| This is a special effect that is an add-on of the smoke trail. The smoke trail is a special effect as well. It doesn't help angle recognition, as I can eyeball it quite well. Using these for DI is useless for people who have that type of technical skill. You have not given a '''reason''' for this to be merged. What else has been mentioned? <font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 00:31, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :We haven't really excluded the mentioning of [[Glancing blow|other]] [[Blast line|visual]] effects. As unnoticeable as this one is in comparison to the second example, it isn't going to be a massive pain in the ass to mention that there are visual effects that go along with knockback. Really, this can be mentioned in a sentence on the knockback page. Why is this an issue? <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 04:04, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::Both phantom hits and the placement of blast lines affect gameplay, so they're not exactly special effects.
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| ::If you want to add one sentence to the knockback article stating the presence of lines and smoke, I'm fine by that, but there's no way we're acknowledging a name for them. That's not a merge, that's a delete.<font face="sand">[[User:Qwerty|<font color="#04FE6D">Qwerty</font>]] [[User talk:Qwerty|<font color="#66CC2A">da</font>]] [[Special:Logout|<font color="#08CFCC">beast</font>]]</font> [[File:Nessytrewq.jpg|16px]] 10:38, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| :::The burden of proof is actually on you, Qwerty, since you're the one who wants the page deleted. So far you haven't provided any valid reasons besides "No! I don't want that!" and writing off counter-arguments as if they were never posted. Toomai and I have already explained the usefulness of the angle indicator (and for some reason you thought my comment on smoke trails implied that I thought similarly about angle indicators?), now you have to explain why the page is not only a candidate for deletion, but ineligible for a merge as well. Keep in mind: "I don't want that!" is ''not'' a convincing statement. <font face="X-Files">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#00008B">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 14:07, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| ::::Now that I think about it, I retract my vote. I think a merge is better than outright deletion. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 14:23, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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| This is too short to have its own article (and there isn't really much you can add since it's a visual effect), but it should definitely be merged. The angle indicator is useful for solidifying your DI and being more consistent with it, and DI is an extremely useful survivability technique in Brawl. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 15:55, 17 July 2014 (EDT)
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