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#'''Support''' We probably need more bureaucrats since Toomai hasn't been online frequently. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy 00:53, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | #'''Support''' We probably need more bureaucrats since Toomai hasn't been online frequently. [[:User:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|ZeldaStarfoxfan2164]] ([[User talk:ZeldaStarfoxfan2164|talk]]) is a never lover boy 00:53, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | ||
#<s>'''Strong Support''' I've seen you around every day. You're a great sysop. Like ZeldaStarfoxfan2164, we may need more bureaucrats since some of the bureaucrats are inactive. That would be a fresh start to have a newer bureaucrats. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540|talk]]) 01:00, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s> | #<s>'''Strong Support''' I've seen you around every day. You're a great sysop. Like ZeldaStarfoxfan2164, we may need more bureaucrats since some of the bureaucrats are inactive. That would be a fresh start to have a newer bureaucrats. [[User:Luigi540|Luigi540]] ([[User talk:Luigi540|talk]]) 01:00, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s> | ||
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==== Oppose ==== | ==== Oppose ==== | ||
#'''''What the hell''''' Miles shouldn't even be an admin, let alone a bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:02, 11 November 2015 (EST) | #'''''What the hell''''' Miles shouldn't even be an admin, let alone a bureaucrat. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 09:02, 11 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#:Here we go, it's ToastUltimatum all over again. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 09:05, 11 November 2015 (EST) | #:Here we go, it's ToastUltimatum all over again. [[User:Ganonmew|<span style="color: brown;">'''Ganonmew'''</span>]], [[User talk:Ganonmew|<span style="color:brown;">'''The Thankful Evil Clone'''</span>]] 09:05, 11 November 2015 (EST) | ||
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#'''Not yet'''. Omega Tyrant does bring up a valid point in that it's taken you years to improve (as much as I feel he exaggerated it), so my perspective (six months) is indeed limited, and the improvement you've shown over the past few months is not marked enough to make up for all that. I do believe that you are slowly becoming more fit for bureaucrat, but there's still subtle traces of stubbornness that need to be eradicated before I'm ready to move back to support. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:01, 15 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Not yet'''. Omega Tyrant does bring up a valid point in that it's taken you years to improve (as much as I feel he exaggerated it), so my perspective (six months) is indeed limited, and the improvement you've shown over the past few months is not marked enough to make up for all that. I do believe that you are slowly becoming more fit for bureaucrat, but there's still subtle traces of stubbornness that need to be eradicated before I'm ready to move back to support. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:01, 15 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Oppose''': I change my vote because your response to the comments below are less than satisfactory in my opinion. I believe I may have been misguided by my general "give them a chance" mindset. I see now that clearly, to give you a chance is to take a tremendous risk. That's all I have, I've said my piece below. I hate doing this, but no deal Miles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:36, 15 November 2015 (EST) | #'''Oppose''': I change my vote because your response to the comments below are less than satisfactory in my opinion. I believe I may have been misguided by my general "give them a chance" mindset. I see now that clearly, to give you a chance is to take a tremendous risk. That's all I have, I've said my piece below. I hate doing this, but no deal Miles. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:12pt">[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] 13:36, 15 November 2015 (EST) | ||
==== Neutral ==== | ==== Neutral ==== | ||
# <s>'''Neutral leaning towards support''': First off, I do not disagree with anything you said below. The reason this is not a full support is because I have not forgotten the [[Talk:Marth_(SSB4)#.22Subjectivity.22|Marth]] argument (and similar, that's just the one that stands out most to me), which I felt that you handled entirely wrong (as you probably recall). That was a while ago though, and because I have not seen anything remotely like that since Marth, I can move past it (mostly). Looking back on it, would you have handled the situation differently? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 01:32, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s> | # <s>'''Neutral leaning towards support''': First off, I do not disagree with anything you said below. The reason this is not a full support is because I have not forgotten the [[Talk:Marth_(SSB4)#.22Subjectivity.22|Marth]] argument (and similar, that's just the one that stands out most to me), which I felt that you handled entirely wrong (as you probably recall). That was a while ago though, and because I have not seen anything remotely like that since Marth, I can move past it (mostly). Looking back on it, would you have handled the situation differently? [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 01:32, 1 November 2015 (EDT)</s> | ||
#:Yes. That was a situation I handled poorly, and I most certainly could have (and should have) done better. If nothing else, I have proven to myself exactly the kind of behavior I know I need to avoid going forward. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:46, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | #:Yes. That was a situation I handled poorly, and I most certainly could have (and should have) done better. If nothing else, I have proven to myself exactly the kind of behavior I know I need to avoid going forward. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 01:46, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | ||
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#Yeah I'm not really seeing a demonstrable need of b'crat powers. What happened with SK's RfA was in my opinion a one off; we really don't need another crat until RfRs and rename requests happen more frequently. The failed RfAs are mostly irrelevant, as most of the time the verdict can be foreseen the moment you know who the applicant is. I'm not going anywhere lower than '''neutral''' though. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:15, 11 November 2015 (EST) | #Yeah I'm not really seeing a demonstrable need of b'crat powers. What happened with SK's RfA was in my opinion a one off; we really don't need another crat until RfRs and rename requests happen more frequently. The failed RfAs are mostly irrelevant, as most of the time the verdict can be foreseen the moment you know who the applicant is. I'm not going anywhere lower than '''neutral''' though. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 11:15, 11 November 2015 (EST) | ||
# '''Now neutral.''' While I think that OT has exaggerated this situation somewhat, he still brought up some important points that need to be addressed before Miles can become a bureaucrat. I still think that Miles has done more for the wiki than anybody else since I joined, but he is not ready for the higher rank yet. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:51, 15 November 2015 (EST) | # '''Now neutral.''' While I think that OT has exaggerated this situation somewhat, he still brought up some important points that need to be addressed before Miles can become a bureaucrat. I still think that Miles has done more for the wiki than anybody else since I joined, but he is not ready for the higher rank yet. <b>[[User:john3637881|<span style="color: black;">John</span>]]</b> [[File:John3637881 Signature.png|20px]] <b>[[User talk:John3637881|<span style="color: red;">PK SMAAAASH!!</span>]]</b> 12:51, 15 November 2015 (EST) | ||
#'''Neutral leaning towards oppose''' Miles really isn't a bad admin or anything, at least in my opinion, but he very much has a "I'm right and you're wrong, end of story" type of attitude (take any example from this thread, and also take a look a while back to the [[amiibo]] head icon debates). He's got a really thick skull and I'm sure a lot of you can agree with me on that. But because of this, I'm don't really think giving him more power is a good idea. I'm only putting my vote in Neutral instead of Oppose because I'm not entirely convinced that he'd do any worse with the bureaucrat powers. [[User:Laikue|Laikue]] ([[User talk:Laikue|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laikue|contribs]]) 16:17, 15 November 2015 (EST) | |||
==== Comments ==== | ==== Comments ==== | ||
Can you provide me some specific examples of currently unhandled tasks that require a bureaucrat, and additionally, how exactly you would handle them? [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 01:00, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | Can you provide me some specific examples of currently unhandled tasks that require a bureaucrat, and additionally, how exactly you would handle them? [[User:Serpent King|<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px; color:rgb(220, 85, 0); text-shadow:0px 0px 3px DarkGray;">Serpent<span style="font-size:12pt;>∞</span>King</span>]] [[User talk:Serpent King|(<span style="font-family:Chiller; font-size:18px;">talk</span>)]] 01:00, 1 November 2015 (EDT) | ||
:I mentioned the three types of task that are bureaucrat-specific that I cannot do as an admin. Renames are fine as they are, and interwiki things I haven't proposed yet (but a related task is on [[User:Miles of SmashWiki/To-do list|my to-do list]]). That leaves requests for _____, of which there [[SmashWiki:Requests for rollback#Nutta Butta|are]] [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Disaster Flare|two]] active. Nutta/Nutty's RfR has been left hanging without a reply on Toom's part for most of a week, which is questionable (I would answer him with yes, seek another, clearer example). DF's RfA is new enough to warrant more time before a decision. The main issue I was noting lately was, as I stated above, the several withdrawn RfAs recently. Several were indeed skewed towards opposition, but yours in particular seemed to be withdrawn more due to delay than anything. Instances like that lead me to believe that having more than one bcrat would be beneficial. | :I mentioned the three types of task that are bureaucrat-specific that I cannot do as an admin. Renames are fine as they are, and interwiki things I haven't proposed yet (but a related task is on [[User:Miles of SmashWiki/To-do list|my to-do list]]). That leaves requests for _____, of which there [[SmashWiki:Requests for rollback#Nutta Butta|are]] [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Disaster Flare|two]] active. Nutta/Nutty's RfR has been left hanging without a reply on Toom's part for most of a week, which is questionable (I would answer him with yes, seek another, clearer example). DF's RfA is new enough to warrant more time before a decision. The main issue I was noting lately was, as I stated above, the several withdrawn RfAs recently. Several were indeed skewed towards opposition, but yours in particular seemed to be withdrawn more due to delay than anything. Instances like that lead me to believe that having more than one bcrat would be beneficial. |
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