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 To be honest, the merged page has started to grow on me a bit. The merged page is almost 30% smaller than the three separate pages combined, which includes extra data that the separate pages can't display without duplication (i.e. the frame data for the combo overall). I'm much more undecided now. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Indescribable 18:34, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
+:While that is kind of a point, is frame data for the combo overall really useful? As you said above, ''Yeah they're all connected, but there are several examples of characters that only ever use the first two of three, or who only ever use the first just to hit with the third.'' Having frame data for the combo overall is pretty much trivial and I don't see why it's needed. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 12:41, 4 September 2013 (EDT)
 Bump. [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 15:16, 1 September 2013 (EDT)
+Well, while this may not matter for characters with less useful and/or notable jabs, you say every jab would be merged. I sense the merged page won't look good for characters with more versatile jabs such as Ike and Pit.
+Ike's jab has so many uses and options, a summary for all three would look confusing even when spaced out in paragraphs. It'd probably have two paragraphs - one for the first two hits, and another for the third and followup options. You'd have to explain how useful jab cancelling the move into itself and attacks such as u-tilt, d-tilt, grab, and so on, is. You may think I'm a hypocrite here, as I'm saying this while opposing the merge. In a merged summary, obviously the jab cancelling thing would only be explained once, so you may think it would be explained on both the pages of the first and second hits. However, both hits have different options during jab cancelling - the first is used for cancelling into itself to rack up damage, while the second can be cancelled into followup options such as d-tilt, u-tilt, grab, etc. So both hits have different uses and so they would fit well on separate pages.
+A merged hitbox overview of Pit's jab would be utterly confusing. He possess two different types of jabs, so how the hell would a merged hitbox overview of his jab be laid out? You could just have one overview for the three hit combo and a separate one for the two hit combo -> rapid jab. But this would look cluttered and laid out poorly with no sensible way to improve it.
+There are other characters with versatile jabs such as Captain Falcon whose merged overviews could have a similar result to the two I mentioned above (though probably to a lesser extent). [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 12:41, 4 September 2013 (EDT)