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 I'm severely disappointed at the kind of reputation people like Warwick and Lordofalltyria give this wiki.  As a semi-regular contributor to this site, I'm well aware of its problems, but I know that bickering isn't going to get any of us anywhere. What happened to this site lately, anyway? When I joined Smashwiki in April, it was a primarily civilized place, but in the last week and a half, crews have disbanded, sysops are banning for trivial reasons and the whole place has fallen into a cycle of "he said, she said" where nobody's opinions are respected and the whole site is falling to pieces.  Can't we get back to the whole point of this wiki and stop arguing? [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|Miles.oppenheimer]] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]]) 20:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 :Two things happened. The kids came, and Randall exploded. The kids got on Randall's nerves and he started banning them for no good reason. When the bans expired, they came back and exhibited behavior that actually deserved banning. Randall banned them permanently. They shouldn't have been permanently banned, and that's why C-Hawk wants to remove the permabands and make them only a couple weeks. Then the foreigners came. They started carping about policies and speaking like they understand what happened and saying its the fault of '''all''' the sysops and criticizing and belittling the community. Presently, they are the problem. When they leave, we can resume with projects and making the wiki better. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 20:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
-::And what happens if they don't leave? Public wiki is public.
+::And what happens if they don't leave? Public wiki is public.  [[Special:Contributions/99.142.40.185|99.142.40.185]] 20:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 :::I'm counting on the inherent apathy of mankind. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 20:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
-[[Special:Contributions/99.142.40.185|99.142.40.185]] 20:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
+::Honestly?  Even if we are ''a'' problem, we're not ''the'' problem (''the'' problem predates us by a mile and half), and even if we were to leave right now, never to return again, you'd still have a problem.  You're not gonna be able to ''get'' back to anything until you actually resolve the real issues, and aside from my own posts, I've seen no real attempt at resolution.  Even if you ''were'' to overturn the bans, you'd ''still'' have a problem.  On a related note, might I respectfully suggest that you read up on the term "red herring"?  Anywho, neither SC nor I have ever suggested that the fault lay with '''all''' the Sysops (in fact, I specifically said otherwise), so unless you're only talking about Warwick, etc., your statement is simply erroneous, not to mention that I've never said a word about the community at large here, much less to criticize and belittle it.  I understand that you're becoming increasingly distraught, but honestly?  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 20:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
-::Honestly?  Even if we are ''a'' problem, we're not ''the'' problem (''the'' problem predates us by a mile and half), and even if we were to leave right now, never to return again, you'd still have a problem.  You're not gonna be able to ''get'' back to anything until you actually resolve the real issues, and aside from my own posts, I've seen no real attempt at resolution.  Even if you ''were'' to overturn the bans, you'd ''still'' have a problem.  On a related note, might I respectfully suggest that you read up on the term "red herring"?  Anywho, neither SC nor I have ever suggested that the fault lay with '''all''' the Sysops (in fact, I specifically said otherwise), so unless you're only talking about Warwick, etc., you're statement is simply erroneous, not to mention that I've never said a word about the community at large here, much less to criticize and belittle it.  I understand that you're becoming increasingly distraught, but honestly?  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] 20:35, 21 August 2008 (UTC)