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 In the ''SSB4'' section, you count Dr. Mario's down special as a whole point on the grounds of it being cloned from a third, related character: Luigi. However, you don't count his down aerial as a cloned move; even though the aforementioned logic applies there and both Dr. Mario and Luigi's dairs share the same genealogy as clones of Mario's pre-''Brawl'' dair. Is this just an oversight, or is there a reason you treated the move as such? [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:16, May 22, 2022 (EDT)
+== Ratio tweaks ==
+[[User:ReCrafter4J|ReCrafter4J]] ([[User talk:ReCrafter4J|talk]]) 06:47, February 23, 2025 (EST)  Should we redefine the clone sections geometrically, in 3/14, 6/14 and 12/14:
+===Analysis===
+The colour of the value bar represents the calculated clone score. The colour behind the head icon represents the character's official status.
+*Magenta: Ultimate character that is an echo
+*Red: pre-Ultimate character that is a full clone
+*Orange: Ultimate character that is not an echo, but was a full clone in the previous game they appeared
+*Yellow: unconfirmed status (but highly suspected to be a pre-Ultimate full clone)
+*Green: none of the above
+{|class="wikitable" width="98%" style="margin:0;text-align:center"
+!
+!Non-clone
+!Pseudo-clone
+!Semi-clone
+!Full clone
+|-
+|
+|width="21%"|0%-21.4%
+|width="21%"|21.4%-42.9%
+|width="42%"|42.9%-85.7%
+|width="14%"|85.7%-100%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Falco|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Lucina|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Daisy|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Dark Samus|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Lucina|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Richter|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,0,0,0.25) 99%,rgba(255,0,0,1.0) 100%)"|100.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Dr. Mario|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,5,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,5,0,0.25) 97.9%,rgba(255,5,0,1.0) 98.9%,transparent 98.9%,transparent 100%)"|98.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Young Link|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,5,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,5,0,0.25) 97.9%,rgba(255,5,0,1.0) 98.9%,transparent 98.9%,transparent 100%)"|98.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Dark Pit|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,10,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,10,0,0.25) 96.9%,rgba(255,10,0,1.0) 97.9%,transparent 97.9%,transparent 100%)"|97.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Dark Pit|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,10,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,10,0,0.25) 96.9%,rgba(255,10,0,1.0) 97.9%,transparent 97.9%,transparent 100%)"|97.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Roy|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,11,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,11,0,0.25) 96.8%,rgba(255,11,0,1.0) 97.8%,transparent 97.8%,transparent 100%)"|97.8%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Dr. Mario|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,21,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,21,0,0.25) 94.8%,rgba(255,21,0,1.0) 95.8%,transparent 95.8%,transparent 100%)"|95.8%
+|-
+|style="background:#ffff00"|{{head|Luigi|g=SSB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,26,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,26,0,0.25) 93.7%,rgba(255,26,0,1.0) 94.7%,transparent 94.7%,transparent 100%)"|94.7%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Pichu|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,27,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,27,0,0.25) 93.6%,rgba(255,27,0,1.0) 94.6%,transparent 94.6%,transparent 100%)"|94.6%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Chrom|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,31,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,31,0,0.25) 92.8%,rgba(255,31,0,1.0) 93.8%,transparent 93.8%,transparent 100%)"|93.8%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff7f00"|{{head|Dr. Mario|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,42,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,42,0,0.25) 90.7%,rgba(255,42,0,1.0) 91.7%,transparent 91.7%,transparent 100%)"|91.7%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff0000"|{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,46,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,46,0,0.25) 89.9%,rgba(255,46,0,1.0) 90.9%,transparent 90.9%,transparent 100%)"|90.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff7f00"|{{head|Pichu|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,50,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,50,0,0.25) 89.1%,rgba(255,50,0,1.0) 90.1%,transparent 90.1%,transparent 100%)"|90.1%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff7f00"|{{head|Young Link|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,58,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,58,0,0.25) 87.5%,rgba(255,58,0,1.0) 88.5%,transparent 88.5%,transparent 100%)"|88.5%
+|-
+|colspan="5"|
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Mythra|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,93,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,93,0,0.25) 80.7%,rgba(255,93,0,1.0) 81.7%,transparent 81.7%,transparent 100%)"|81.7%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Toon Link|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,111,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,111,0,0.25) 77.1%,rgba(255,111,0,1.0) 78.1%,transparent 78.1%,transparent 100%)"|78.1%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Luigi|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,118,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,118,0,0.25) 75.8%,rgba(255,118,0,1.0) 76.8%,transparent 76.8%,transparent 100%)"|76.8%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Falco|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,126,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,126,0,0.25) 74.3%,rgba(255,126,0,1.0) 75.3%,transparent 75.3%,transparent 100%)"|75.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Roy|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,127,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,127,0,0.25) 74.0%,rgba(255,127,0,1.0) 75.0%,transparent 75.0%,transparent 100%)"|75.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Roy|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,127,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,127,0,0.25) 74.0%,rgba(255,127,0,1.0) 75.0%,transparent 75.0%,transparent 100%)"|75.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#ff00ff"|{{head|Ken|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,136,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,136,0,0.25) 72.3%,rgba(255,136,0,1.0) 73.3%,transparent 73.3%,transparent 100%)"|73.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Toon Link|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,162,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,162,0,0.25) 67.1%,rgba(255,162,0,1.0) 68.1%,transparent 68.1%,transparent 100%)"|68.1%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Isabelle|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,173,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,173,0,0.25) 65.0%,rgba(255,173,0,1.0) 66.0%,transparent 66.0%,transparent 100%)"|66.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Luigi|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,185,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,185,0,0.25) 62.6%,rgba(255,185,0,1.0) 63.6%,transparent 63.6%,transparent 100%)"|63.6%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Falco|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,185,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,185,0,0.25) 62.5%,rgba(255,185,0,1.0) 63.5%,transparent 63.5%,transparent 100%)"|63.5%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,191,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,191,0,0.25) 61.5%,rgba(255,191,0,1.0) 62.5%,transparent 62.5%,transparent 100%)"|62.5%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Toon Link|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,196,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,196,0,0.25) 60.5%,rgba(255,196,0,1.0) 61.5%,transparent 61.5%,transparent 100%)"|61.5%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Jigglypuff|g=SSB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,196,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,196,0,0.25) 60.4%,rgba(255,196,0,1.0) 61.4%,transparent 61.4%,transparent 100%)"|61.4%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Falco|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,199,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,199,0,0.25) 59.9%,rgba(255,199,0,1.0) 60.9%,transparent 60.9%,transparent 100%)"|60.9%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,207,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,207,0,0.25) 58.4%,rgba(255,207,0,1.0) 59.4%,transparent 59.4%,transparent 100%)"|59.4%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Luigi|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,240,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,240,0,0.25) 51.8%,rgba(255,240,0,1.0) 52.8%,transparent 52.8%,transparent 100%)"|52.8%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Ganondorf|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(255,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(255,255,0,0.25) 49.0%,rgba(255,255,0,1.0) 50.0%,transparent 50.0%,transparent 100%)"|50.0%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Luigi|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(224,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(224,255,0,0.25) 42.9%,rgba(224,255,0,1.0) 43.9%,transparent 43.9%,transparent 100%)"|43.9%
+|-
+|colspan="5"|
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Lucas|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(215,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(215,255,0,0.25) 41.3%,rgba(215,255,0,1.0) 42.3%,transparent 42.3%,transparent 100%)"|42.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Lucas|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(207,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(207,255,0,0.25) 39.6%,rgba(207,255,0,1.0) 40.6%,transparent 40.6%,transparent 100%)"|40.6%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Wolf|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(194,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(194,255,0,0.25) 37.1%,rgba(194,255,0,1.0) 38.1%,transparent 38.1%,transparent 100%)"|38.1%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Wolf|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(185,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(185,255,0,0.25) 35.5%,rgba(185,255,0,1.0) 36.5%,transparent 36.5%,transparent 100%)"|36.5%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Lucas|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(164,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(164,255,0,0.25) 31.3%,rgba(164,255,0,1.0) 32.3%,transparent 32.3%,transparent 100%)"|32.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Jigglypuff|g=SSBM|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(124,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(124,255,0,0.25) 23.5%,rgba(124,255,0,1.0) 24.5%,transparent 24.5%,transparent 100%)"|24.5%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Terry|g=SSBU|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(123,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(123,255,0,0.25) 23.3%,rgba(123,255,0,1.0) 24.3%,transparent 24.3%,transparent 100%)"|24.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Captain Falcon|g=SSB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(114,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(114,255,0,0.25) 21.4%,rgba(114,255,0,1.0) 22.4%,transparent 22.4%,transparent 100%)"|22.4%
+|-
+|colspan="5"|
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Lucario|g=SSB4|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(31,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(31,255,0,0.25) 5.3%,rgba(31,255,0,1.0) 6.3%,transparent 6.3%,transparent 100%)"|6.3%
+|-
+|style="background:#00ff00"|{{head|Ike|g=SSBB|s=20x20px}}
+|colspan="4" style="text-align:left;background:linear-gradient(to right,rgba(21,255,0,0.25) 0%,rgba(21,255,0,0.25) 3.1%,rgba(21,255,0,1.0) 4.1%,transparent 4.1%,transparent 100%)"|4.1%
+|-
+|
+|width="21%"|0%-21.4%
+|width="21%"|21.4%-42.9%
+|width="42%"|42.9%-85.7%
+|width="14%"|85.7%-100%
+|}
+===Conclusions===
+*Characters that share 87.5% of attack animations are full clones.
+*Characters that share 45% of attack animations are semi-clones.
+*Characters that share 25% of attack animations are pseudo-clones. This is a new category.
+*The gap widths between categories are:
+**Full clone/semi-clone: 6.8%
+**Semi-clone/pseudo-clone: 1.6%
+**Pseudo-clone/non-clone: 7.8%
+**There is one larger gap (outside the non-clone section): 6.6% between Ganondorf (SSB4) and Luigi (SSB4). This makes Luigi (SSB4), Ganondorf (SSBU) and Luigi (SSBU) the most on-the-fence between any two categories (in their case, semi-clone and pseudo-clone).
+*Some pairs of clones with identical parents should probably be checked against each other. Not sure if the data will be useful, but it could be interesting.
+*In terms of the term "echo":
+**Most echoes are full clones.
+**Characters can be full clones without being echoes, such as Dr. Mario.
+**Characters can be echoes without being full clones, such as Ken.