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[[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:43, September 23, 2022 (EDT) | [[File:Gligar2007sig1.png|25px]][[User:Gligar2007|<span style="color:red;">'''Gligar'''</span>]][[User talk:Gligar2007|<span style="color:blue;">'''2007'''</span>]][[File:Gligar2007sig2.png|25px]] 09:43, September 23, 2022 (EDT) | ||
== Question == | |||
A few months ago, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Lucas&diff=1721890&oldid=1712943 I changed the most recent appearances] of Lucas, Ness, and Dark Pit to Mario Maker 1 (and somebody else did the same to Palutena, as I was unaware that her 2nd most recent non-smash appearance was before Mario Maker 1), as I felt it was the cause of a [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Lucas&diff=1712619&oldid=1712617 frankly gross trivia point] that Lucas only has one non-smash appearance or when he's clearly visible in Mario Maker 1. | |||
A week ago, [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Ness&diff=prev&oldid=1743772 I found it reverted as "discussed to death"]. I see discussion on [[Talk:Ness]] and [[User_talk:Miles_of_SmashWiki/Archive16#Most_Recent_Appearances|an old user talk page]], but nowhere else, and most of the dislike towards counting Mario Maker seems to be started by one user [[User:Toomai/Miles-OT survey results|I read about]] [[SmashWiki:Requests for bureaucratship/Miles of SmashWiki|you two having beef]] with each other as Mario Maker 1 was coming out, which is why I want to ask you for your opinion on this situation. | |||
From what I understand, Miles convinced some people (a lot of the discourse from the Ness talk page came from somebody who initially and correctly thought it should be counted as a cameo earlier on Miles' talk) that Mario Maker 1 should be completely ignored as a non-smash appearance due to it technically being a costume, and most of the current dislike towards this idea still comes primarily from Miles. That argument makes sense, especially with Mii costumes where the Mii leaks through the character they're cosplaying. However, what I also see on both pages is that the sprites resemble the characters fully, and that Sonic is in a similar situation with him first cameoing as an air freshener in a separate game, and I have to agree with both of these points. | |||
I also gave the examples of sprites on a character's shirt in my edit summaries, but something I just found out was that a couple sprites directly taken from Mario Maker costumes (meaning the exact same appearances) do make non-costume cameos on walls in some kingdoms, which you can collect for coins. This doesn't affect Mario of Peach since they're in the game anyways, but MarioWiki does count this as a cameo for Rosalina, who otherwise isn't in the game (this wasn't added here, but it doesn't really matter since this is long past and her next appearance was in a month anyways). | |||
With all that being said, what is your opinion on this situation. This weird arbitrary exception for not counting as a cameo, and being the latest appearance for 4 characters means it actually does kind of matter, and it frustrates me. [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.253|157.242.208.253]] 21:29, December 6, 2022 (EST) | |||