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::Then why's the current one talk about hazards? If we're gonna have only one, shouldn't it at least be for the relevant set? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 04:31, 17 December 2018 (EST) | ::Then why's the current one talk about hazards? If we're gonna have only one, shouldn't it at least be for the relevant set? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] ([[User talk:Guybrush20X6|talk]]) 04:31, 17 December 2018 (EST) | ||
:::These edits will be reverted [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 06:45, 17 December 2018 (EST) | :::These edits will be reverted [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 06:45, 17 December 2018 (EST) | ||
::::What about simply adding a column next to "Status" with the stage hazards toggle icon, and in that column, for the stages that aren't banned, you put a green/red/yellow smash icon to precise if stage hazards are allowed, forbidden, or irrelevant (exemple : BF => yellow/irrelevant, Dream Land => green/allowed, Midgar => red/forbidden) ? | ::::What about simply adding a column next to "Status" with the stage hazards toggle icon, and in that column, for the stages that aren't banned, you put a green/red/yellow smash icon to precise if stage hazards are allowed, forbidden, or irrelevant (exemple : BF => yellow/irrelevant, Dream Land => green/allowed, Midgar => red/forbidden) ? [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:48, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||
Hi, i new here and I have the same problem, stages like green greens, Wario ware, and Unova Pokemon league all have distruptive hazards but can simpily be turned off, stages like midgar can just have the varies symbol instead of being banned just like the miiverse stage did in smash 4. And Fountain of Dreams can just be banned in doubles, just like the stage did in Melee.--[[User:Frezzysnezzly|Frezzysnezzly]] ([[User talk:Frezzysnezzly|talk]]) 14:22, 17 December 2018 (EST) | Hi, i new here and I have the same problem, stages like green greens, Wario ware, and Unova Pokemon league all have distruptive hazards but can simpily be turned off, stages like midgar can just have the varies symbol instead of being banned just like the miiverse stage did in smash 4. And Fountain of Dreams can just be banned in doubles, just like the stage did in Melee.--[[User:Frezzysnezzly|Frezzysnezzly]] ([[User talk:Frezzysnezzly|talk]]) 14:22, 17 December 2018 (EST) | ||
:What's banned and what's legal is decided by tournament directors. And since no big tournament (Don't Park on the Grass, Smashadelphia Ultimate or Lauch for example) has had stages Fountain of Dreams legal, they are not legal. Some stages like Wario Ware were legal in some rulesets so they can be set to "varies" or "banned/legal" [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2018 (EST) | :What's banned and what's legal is decided by tournament directors. And since no big tournament (Don't Park on the Grass, Smashadelphia Ultimate or Lauch for example) has had stages Fountain of Dreams legal, they are not legal. Some stages like Wario Ware were legal in some rulesets so they can be set to "varies" or "banned/legal" [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 05:19, 19 December 2018 (EST) | ||
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== Similar stages == | == Similar stages == | ||
As I completed the SSBU stage list, I just replicated what was done previously by others, but another user later made a change. | As I completed the SSBU stage list, I just replicated what was done previously by others, but another user later made a change. | ||
When several stages are similar (BF and all its clones, FD and Wily Castle and PictoChat 2, Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2), should we just choose to tag one as allowed and ban the other ? Or should we just tag all of them the same, not deciding which one should be the allowed one ? It's kind of weird to just pick one to make it the allowed one. | When several stages are similar (BF and all its clones, FD and Wily Castle and PictoChat 2, Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2), should we just choose to tag one as allowed and ban the other ? Or should we just tag all of them the same, not deciding which one should be the allowed one ? It's kind of weird to just pick one to make it the allowed one. [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:48, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||
: I tried to do something about it by using the idea of "Alternative starter" for all the similar stages. If this solution is good enough for anyone, this point can be removed from the discussion page. | : I tried to do something about it by using the idea of "Alternative starter" for all the similar stages. If this solution is good enough for anyone, this point can be removed from the discussion page. [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:48, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||
::Only the one that is allowed in tournament rulesets is allowed in tournament rulesets. Stages that are not allowed in tournament rulesets are banned. Nothing weird about that. The reason for tournament directors for banning "similar stages" is that you can't counterpick a stage that is more or less the same as a stage you already counterpicked. Also keep in mind that "This is a talk page. Remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) and follow the talk page policy." [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:01, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ::Only the one that is allowed in tournament rulesets is allowed in tournament rulesets. Stages that are not allowed in tournament rulesets are banned. Nothing weird about that. The reason for tournament directors for banning "similar stages" is that you can't counterpick a stage that is more or less the same as a stage you already counterpicked. Also keep in mind that "This is a talk page. Remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~) and follow the talk page policy." [[User:Patzui|Patzui]] ([[User talk:Patzui|talk]]) 11:01, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||
:::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away)[[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST) | :::Won't that vary from one tournament from another ? The point of the page is to have kind of a common ground, otherwise, it will end up being a page with a different list for each event, won't it ? Anyway, I'm nowhere near being a competitive player, I was just using the page to make a ruleset for my 1v1 serious matches, and ended up completing it with the what seemed to be the most obvious to me. Now people who know better can finish the job by making small editions (I have no idea what the 4 tildes will do, but I will try right away) [[Special:Contributions/81.254.247.115|81.254.247.115]] 11:39, 21 December 2018 (EST) | ||