Editing Smasher talk:Simna ibn Sind

== <s>Redirecting user pages</s> ==

<s>You really shouldn't as a rule edit the user pages of others, but you *really* shouldn't delete what's on their user page and replace it with a redirect to the main namespace. Redirecting like that probably isn't a good idea to begin with, so combining the two makes things pretty bad. Thanks. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 23:36, August 8, 2006 (GMT)</s>
: Ugh, I just realized this was an article, not your user page. This is a _great_ example of why userpage redirection is a bad idea. --[[User:Kirby King|<font color="red"><b><i>Kirby King</i></b></font>]] 23:38, August 8, 2006 (GMT)

Are you talking about what i did with Mattdotzeb?--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 23:39, August 8, 2006 (GMT)

== Pro? ==

Should Simna really be under the pro category, it seems that Simna himself added himself into the pro category, any good reason on why he should be in that category? Speaking of that category, it needs some cleaning up.-[[User:shogun|shogun]]

There isn't anything set for this category.  Also,  of anyone you have the LEAST info on whether or not I'm a pro.  Right now if the likes of KillaOR and Nihonjin  are on this list then its perfectly okay that I am as well.--[[User:OMNIVECTOR|Simna ibn Sind]] 07:23, October 5, 2006 (GMT)

I demand there be a definition for 'Pro' set before anyone else gets added into the category then. -[[user:shogun|shogun]]


Simna is 14th on the NCPR. That qualifies. -- [[User:Delphiki|Bean]] 04:13, March 19, 2007 (GMT)

== Contact information ==

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--[[User:YodaMasterZ|YodaMasterZ]] 17:22, August 11, 2007 (EDT)

== ZINNAMON ==

Stop going around and vandalizing wiki pages. I'm getting tired of reverting all you're edits because frankly, you don't know what you're doing. For the majority of what you've done that is. Simna is one of the most "Very Important People" in the smash community, boasting the [[Global Smasher Compendium]] as well as being a mod on the [[SmashBoards]]. If he's not VIP, i don't know who is. --[[User:Janitor|Janitor]] 18:35, November 22, 2007 (EST)

== Top Pro vs. Pro ==

I believe he does not qualify as a top professional, especially these days. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #ffa500">'''Nyargle</span><span style="color: orange;text-shadow:0px 0px 2px #7cfc00;">blargle'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nyargleblargle|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 07:02, 16 November 2015 (EST)

He fits based on the top pro definition given on [[Professional]] which includes world's bests for each character(by main).  He still has the highest national placement for Ness for 2015 and 2007.  [[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 07:21, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:The page in question never '''specifically''' stated that the "world's best for each character" is a "top professional". You keep bringing up the fact that the page excluding "low tiers" means that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance it's "proof" that it was the page's intention]. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:25, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:"A top professional is a player who is among the very best from his country and/or for their respective main character."  That means ANY character and the "and/or" means that they need not be the best in the country if they are the best for their main which he is.  To say that the definition implies only top tiers removes the entire point of including "best of their main" as a criteria since the best player of a top tier would already be among the best in their country.[[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 07:32, 16 November 2015 (EST)
::You haven't stated anything new. Again, this is the same example of an ''argument from ignorance''. Lack of clarification is not the same as "the best character of this low tier is a top professional". The examples for players listed on there are all players who main top tiers (with the exception of Jousuke, but he also generally wins the majority of Japanese national tournaments), so I'm confused by what you're trying to assert by saying that "if it only included top tiers, it removes the entire point of including the 'best of their mains'". [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 07:37, 16 November 2015 (EST)

::The "best of their main" criteria in the definition has implications.   If it were meant to only include top tiers then the criteria would not have implication and thus wouldn't be there.  There is no ''argument from ignorance'' there.  The argument from ignorance shows up when you try to imply that because no low tier player examples are given it means that low tiers are not included in the definition. [[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173|107.222.230.173]] 07:48, 16 November 2015 (EST)
:::First thing's first... your "implications" argument is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_fallacy deductive fallacy]; there's no proof that there were any "implications". Secondly, I feel as if you've misunderstood something. I never said the words "only top tiers are included" or that "all players who use low tiers are excluded"; I said "lack of clarification is not the same as 'the best character of this low tier is a top professional'".
:::1. I already gave the example of {{Sm|Josuke}} from Japan being listed, who wins the majority of national ''Smash 64'' tournaments over there with {{SSB|Samus}} (who is officially ranked as a "low tier").
:::2. There have been players who have found national success with mid tiers, such as {{Sm|Axe}} ({{SSBM|Pikachu}}), {{Sm|Shroomed}} ({{SSBM|Dr. Mario}}, although he has since switched to {{SSBM|Sheik}}), {{Sm|Plup}} ({{SSBM|Samus}}, who he sometimes uses as a counterpick even though he mains Sheik now), and {{Sm|Abate}} ({{SSBM|Luigi}}).
:::I have no qualms with mid or low tiers being "included" in the definition; however, it is '''NOT''' the same as saying "the best player with this mid or low tier character is a top player", despite not having the national results to show it. The players that I have listed have all shown that they can place Top 8 at multiple nationals with these characters. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 08:03, 16 November 2015 (EST)

The bit about "and/or for their respective main character." should be removed from the pro page, the skill listing is purely about their ability to place in tournament, and the skill listing in the smasherbeta does not care for what character the player uses. On the [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Template:Smasherbeta Smasherbeta] page, in our criteria for what is a top pro, it makes no mention of character; "'Top professional - A competitive smasher that is among the best, able to win regionals and everything below, and place in the money at nationals. ''"

As such, Simna being the best Ness in Melee is completely irrelevant to whether we list his skill as "top pro" or not. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:20, 16 November 2015 (EST)
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	As such, Simna being the best Ness in Melee is completely irrelevant to whether we list his skill as "top pro" or not. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant\|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant\|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:20, 16 November 2015 (EST)		As such, Simna being the best Ness in Melee is completely irrelevant to whether we list his skill as "top pro" or not. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant\|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant\|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 08:20, 16 November 2015 (EST)
	~~:I hear you. I'll keep this definition in mind when making future edits.[[Special:Contributions/107.222.230.173\|107.222.230.173]] 09:51, 16 November 2015 (EST)~~
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