Editing Smasher talk:Mang0

==Mango Mains or as id like to call it Maingo==
Should would get rid of Jiggs or at least put her beneath Marth? --[[User:TheLegendaryKRB|TheLegendaryKRB]] ([[User talk:TheLegendaryKRB|talk]]) 21:22, 1 January 2014 (EST)
:I know he hasn't used Jiggs much recently, but one of the first tournaments Mango gained recognition at, Pound 3, was where he used primarily Jiggs, and as explained in the article, he's credited for Jiggs' movement from 6/7th on the tier list to 3rd. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 05:51, 2 January 2014 (EST)
::This is why I think there should be a Former mains section in the Smasher template. --[[User:TheLegendaryKRB|TheLegendaryKRB]] ([[User talk:TheLegendaryKRB|talk]]) 11:03, 2 January 2014 (EST)
:::He'll still occasionally pull out Jigglypuff in Doubles. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 11:05, 2 January 2014 (EST)
==Brawl==
He may not play Brawl but it should be noted he uses Falcon in Brawl --[[User:TheLegendaryKRB|TheLegendaryKRB]] ([[User talk:TheLegendaryKRB|talk]]) 09:25, 24 January 2014 (EST)
:Why should there be notes on a game that he doesn't play? You kinda answered your own question. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 11:38, 24 January 2014 (EST)
::Look at this lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUj4QQtyKIE  --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:48, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
::And this is SSB64 btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM5MZ3Zv-Yw  --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:50, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::Yes he did enter Brawl at GOML. That happened '''just today'''. My previous comment was '''nearly four months ago'''. Additionally, it was using a varied ruleset. Also, is that Smash 64 video a tournament match? [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:52, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
::::Not sure if SSB64 vid is tourney match or not :p  --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 18:53, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::::He also didn't perform particularly well in that Smash 64 set, as Battlecow isn't too notable, though still solidly won 2-0 with a good lead first match and decent lead second match. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 18:56, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Why are you guys making such a big deal out this? In brawl Mango is just another average player. He just happens to be good at a different game.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 19:47, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

I'm not surprised why you don't care. You hate Brawl. --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 19:53, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:Yea I hate brawl. How should Mango playing brawl change that? Can he suddenly magically turn it into melee? No. Does it mean he likes brawl? No, someone paid him to enter. Mango hype only comes when he plays Melee. If I wanted to watch brawl for whatever reason, I should watch people who are good at the game.--<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 19:57, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

::Then why are you even arguing? If you don't give a shit about Brawl then leave. --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 20:01, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Saying "yes, he entered Brawl at GOML" is making a big deal out of it? Didn't say he was notable. [[User:Scr7|<span style="color:#0000FF"">S</span><span style="color:#7F7FFF">c</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">r</span><span style="color:#FF7F00">7</span>]][[File:Scr7 sig.png|link=]]([[User talk:Scr7|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Scr7|contribs]]) 20:04, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:Point was it isn't worth having a talk page over. Mango didn't take this event seriously and neither should you. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 20:09, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

There is no other footage of him playing Falco in ''Brawl'' at '''any competent level.''' This is getting ridiculous. Just because he entered ''Brawl'' singles once as Falco doesn't mean it's his main, and certainly does not imply that he plays the game seriously. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 20:17, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

:::So? Playing a game seriously means it shouldnt be noted as a main? From what ive seen there are plenty of smash pages on this wiki that have Melee players with incompetent Brawl mains still listed. --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 20:19, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::::The questions isn't if they are terribly good with the character in Brawl, but if it is their main.  Some of the commentary leads me to think that he does consider Falco his main, but its legit to question it given what you've posted so far. We're not listing Zelda as Havok's other just because he played her once in this vid either. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 20:22, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

What Timson said. Playing any game just once doesn't make you a player at that game. Especially not if someone paid you to waste your time. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 20:26, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:Additionally, from what I've seen, many of the ''Melee'' players with ''Brawl'' mains listed had once taken the character to decent levels of play, and had given ''Brawl'' a chance as a competitive game. For example, Chillin's Snake wasn't the best, but he played solidly and considered Snake his main in the game; he even took him to Doubles GFs in MELEE-FC 10R and got 2nd place. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 20:33, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
::THEN WHY IS GIMPYFISH NOTABLE???!!! --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:11, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::You're getting mad and you're letting it affect your logic and reasoning skills. Take a deep breath, calm down, and chill or something. Gimpy made a combo video whereas Mango hasn't done anything with Brawl. We cool? We cool. <span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px]] 21:16, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Because Gimpyfish actually used Bowser consistently in multiple Melee tournaments. And furthermore put many hours into developing the character. He has also placed high consistently with Bowser. I don't know why you picked Gimpyfish of all people to use as a counter example. He isn't even remotely close to 1. Myth I will reiterate this 1 more time. Mango. Isn't. A. Brawl. Player. Stop treating him as such. --<span style="background-color:#6d84e1;border:3px solid silver">[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:silver">'''Brian'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|<span style="color:black">Don't try me!</span>]]</sup>[[File:Falco.gif|link=|27px]]</span> 21:20, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:Brian, Myth was referring to Gimpyfish being listed for Brawl on his page, not his Melee prowess. I agree with what you're saying, though, in regards to Mango and Brawl. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:24, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
I was refering to Brawl Gimpy. Of course Melee Gimpy is notable. --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] 21:25, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
::Gimpyfish made a combo video for ''Brawl'' Sheik titled the "Triforce of Style," and legitimately gave the game a chance and entered tournaments with Sheik by his own accord, even though he hated the game. Mango has literally done nothing notable with ''Brawl'' Falco until today, and he has '''lost''' to amateur players with him. If Mango entered ''Brawl'' side events consistently with Falco and did even ''OK'' with him, then yes, Falco could go in his ''Brawl'' main slot. But no, entering one tournament and losing to a handful of nameless players does not constitute Falco being his main. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 21:30, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:::To make another correction, Mango did use Falco in Apex 2010 Brawl crews and took the last stock from {{Sm|lain}} and one stock from {{Sm|Mew2King}}. This was almost 4 years ago, though, and definitely does not mean that Brawl should be added on Mango's page. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 21:33, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

==Bias==
Compare this page with Mew2King's controversy section (which I'll admit has been cleaned up): Both of these pages are biased, but in entirely different directions. In Mango's case, the entire page is essentially lauding how "godlike" he is and how much he's achieved, with even a biography detailing his rise to fame. Mew2King's article is nowhere near as kind towards him and he's been playing for longer than Mango has. The "Trip to Japan" section deals with Mew2King's personal life more so than things related to Smash. If this is the case, why is there no section for Mango's widely known habit of getting drunk at tournaments? On top of that, there was also the whole AMA disaster on Reddit and probably other so-called "controversies" that he's been involved in. I'm not saying that those should be added to the article (nor do I believe they should be, since I think the whole controversy situation is getting silly) but the way Mew2King's article acknowledges his skill is rather halfhearted in comparison to Mango's. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 09:09, 23 June 2014 (EDT)
:I am going to bump this, mainly because I feel very strongly about this: Why are controversy sections necessary? SmashWiki should not be a war zone between supporters of specific smashers, and I feel like having these sections only creates havoc. [[User:Serpent_King|<span style="font-family:Algerian"> <span style="color:#008833; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #00bb77;">'''Serpent'''</span><span style="font-size:12pt; color:black; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px Gray;">∞</span><span style="color:#eed000; text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #ffd000;">'''King'''</span></span>]] [[User talk:Serpent_King|(<span style="color: blue;">talk</span>)]] 20:29, 10 September 2015 (EDT)

== "Buster status"? ==

Is this some kind of slang? It doesn't seem very professional. [[User:Bflat|Bflat]] ([[User talk:Bflat|talk]]) 19:48, 2 February 2015 (EST)
:Mango used this to refer to himself during an interview after the match. However, it's not professional and shouldn't belong in the formal text. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 20:02, 2 February 2015 (EST)

== [[Mango#Playing Style|Play style?]] ==
I don't understand the meaning of this. Is it necessary/accurate? [[Image:{{NameToIcon|Marth}}Head{{#if:|{{{cl}}}}}{{#if:SSBM|{{#ifeq:SSBM|SSB4|SSB4-U|SSBM}}}}.png{{#if:20px|{{!}}20px}}|link={{#if:|{{{l}}}|Marth{{#if:SSBM|&#32;({{#switch:SSBM|SSB4-U|SSB4-3=SSB4|#default=SSBM}})}}}}]] [[User:F0rZ3r0F0r|F0rZ3r0F0r]] ([[User_talk:F0rZ3r0F0r|talk]]) 16:43, 16 May 2015 (EDT)

==Brawl P2==
So hes played Brawl at a few of nationals including [[GOML]], [[Apex 2012]](?)(crews only) and a number of locals as well. This is surely enough to include in the infobox?--[[User:Dinodomain|Dinodomain]] ([[User talk:Dinodomain|talk]]) 17:48, 10 September 2015 (EDT)
:This has been discussed on here already. No, it's not enough, because Apex 2010 and GOML were his only times playing Brawl since 2008, and his Brawl results back then weren't significant. [[User:PokemonMasterJamal3|PokemonMasterJamal3]] ([[User talk:PokemonMasterJamal3|talk]]) 18:43, 10 September 2015 (EDT)

== "Scorpion Master" vs "The Kid" ==

I think that the nickname above Mango's portrait should be changed to ''"The Kid"''. I may be wrong, but I remember hearing people call Mango ''"The Kid"'' a lot more than ''"Scorpion Master"''.

[[User:TheWizardG|TheWizardG]] ([[User talk:TheWizardG|talk]]) 18:30, 27 June 2016 (EDT)

== 2017 section in Tournament History ==

I don't really have time to fix it myself at the moment, but I must say that this section of the wiki is just terribly written, with weird wording and poor grammar. The bit about Big House 7 barely even talks about Mang0, it just talks about the tournament itself and about how well Plup and Leffen did at the tournament. [[User:FgglPggl|FgglPggl]] ([[User talk:FgglPggl|talk]]) 05:39, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

==Move to "Mang0"==
Seems like a straightforward move. I '''support'''. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 21:14, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

'''Support''' how his tag is officially spelled. '''[[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Awesome</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">Cardinal 2000</span>]]''' 01:50, October 31, 2023 (EDT)
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	This had been up for a month without conflict and is largely common sense, so this has been moved. -[[File:PlagueSigImage.png\|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma\|<span style="color: #4952eb;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma\|<span style="color: #4952eb;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png\|20px]] 03:15, October 31, 2023 (EDT)
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