Editing Smasher talk:Leffen

==Retiring?==
[https://twitter.com/L3ff3n His most recent tweets strongly suggest that he is going to retire from the Melee scene.] Should this be mentioned? [[User:Chilex|Chilex]] ([[User talk:Chilex|talk]]) 23:08, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
:Leffen said he was going to retire/switch mains many times in the past after he didn't perform well. I'm not buying it unless there's other sources of confirmation. --[[User:Timson622222|Timson622222]] ([[User talk:Timson622222|talk]]) 23:22, 12 July 2014 (EDT)

==Biased==
Of all the pictures to show of the sixth god, on a supposedly informational wiki, and someone chooses this sinister picture that only screams negative bias towards a controversial character. Meanwhile, we have absolutely natural pictures for the others, even innocent ones. But this one? Noooooooooo..... I am switching out the picture, and anyone who believes we should use THIS picture, better have a damn good reason.
([[User:Turnabout Gaming|Turnabout Gaming]] ([[User talk:Turnabout Gaming|talk]]) 00:10, 18 May 2015 (EDT))

== Excuse me but... ==

I completely disagree with the image being used for his page right now. While the previos image was pretty huge, and this one shows him with Team SoloMid's sponsorship shirt, this image has very low resolution, and looks very blurry. To be honest, I would really suggest uploading another image of Leffen, an image that doesn't have low quality or is as small as this one. I mean, [[the Five Gods]]' images all have good quality in comparison to the poor quality of this one. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] <font color="Black">'''The 70's called. They said'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou was here :v'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 15:45, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:I don't see the issue. The quality isn't amazing but it's not insufficient either. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:17, 23 January 2016 (EST)
::The problem is that the previous image had fairly good quality (but its resolution was too high), but now this image has low quality and exaggeratedly low resolution. Compared to the images I had uploaded for each smasher on the SSBMRank, this doesn't seem to fit, much less when we  take into account two things: Leffen is a top player, and we can have better images of Leffen.

::IMHO, this image doesn't fit his page. It looks poor. --[[File:BeepYouSignature.png|50px]] <font color="Black">'''The 70's called. They said'''</font> [[User:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''BeepYou was here :v'''</font>]] [[User talk:BeepYou|<font color="Black">'''(talk)'''</font>]] 16:23, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:::Sorry for the late comment,but I changed the image. You're welcome,BeepYou. [[User:Penro|'''Penro''']] [[User talk:Penro|...that's all.]] [[File:PenroDarkPitHead.png|19px]] [[File:PenroZSSHead.png|19px]] 21:39, 9 February 2016 (EST)

== This picture is horrible... but I can't do nothing about it? ==

I tried to upload Leffen's latest profile pic from 2016 (used to promote his future invovlement with EGLX, but apparently I don't have permission to do so. Someone do it for me. Please.

([[User:Daze 072401|Daze 072401]] ([[User talk:Daze 072401|talk]]) 02:31, 29 April 2016 (EDT))

== Leffen's Ultimate Mains ==

In December 2019 Leffen uploaded a Youtube video about picking up Mr. Game & Watch to use for bad Joker matchups so shouldn't Joker be on the list of mains and G&W on the list of other characters.

Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTTgUFhkUG4

[[User:BlueFlash3604|BlueFlash3604]] ([[User talk:BlueFlash3604|talk]]) 16:53, August 1, 2020 (EDT)
:Leffen dropped Joker a while ago and hasn't actually used G&W in tournament. He also quit playing ''Ultimate'' the same month he made the video, so I doubt he'll actually use G&W. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 16:56, August 1, 2020 (EDT)

== Leffen's Yoshi in Melee ==

Is there actually any tournament results where Leffen used Yoshi? I remember seeing him say before how him being a former Yoshi main was just a joke, and to my knowledge I never seen him playing Yoshi in any tournaments. If real notable results of Leffen's Yoshi can't be found, then it shouldn't be listed among his retired characters. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:08, March 3, 2021 (EST)
:Timson in the discord shown me some Leffen Yoshi results, which is probably more than what most Yoshi players have done with him, so I think noting him as a retired character is acceptable for now. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 03:36, March 4, 2021 (EST)

== Leffen retired from Ulimate? ==

I know he said he wouldn't focus as much on ''Ultimate'' as he was on ''Melee'' and that the online in ''Ultimate'' had some severe flaws but did he actually retire? When Pyra/Mythra came out, he said he would probably be using them when offline tournaments came back, saying the characters were his favorite DLC characters so far and that they were meant for him. [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire37]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]) 19:58, March 7, 2021 (EST)
:Since he's consistently criticized ''Ultimate'' and even stated that playing top-level ''Ultimate'' was torture for him, plus the fact that he hasn't attend a tournament following DreamHack Winter 2019 (even with COVID), he's definitely retired. Of course, if he does come back the tag will come down. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 20:08, March 7, 2021 (EST)

== What does "flowchart" behavior mean? ==

In his playstyle section, it says Leffen believes that many top players are held back by their "flowchart" behavior? What exactly does this mean? [[User:SacredFire37|SacredFire37]] ([[User talk:SacredFire37|talk]]) 16:28, March 29, 2021 (EDT)
:I believe that blurb is from an interview he gave at {{Trn|MLG Anaheim 2014}} where Leffen did outright say this. I take it to mean that at the time, Leffen thought top players had gameplans that were too rigid (a "flowchart" on what to do in certain situations) and that he was looking to exploit that and pick them apart using that understanding. <b>-- [[File:Yellow sig.png|16px]] [[User:Yellow|<span style="color:#000;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #CCCC00;">Yellow</span>]] [[User talk:Yellow|<span style="color:#006400;text-shadow: 1px 2px 3px #9ACD32;">of the Grove</span>]]</b> 16:38, March 29, 2021 (EDT)
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