Editing SmashWiki talk:Vandalism

So what is considered vandalisim excactly? For instance if someone put info down that is incorrect on there user page, such as pro or a crew they are in and someone changes it back, the person changes it back, etc etc whould the person who fixed the incorrect information be warned/banned for vandalism? [[User:ToXn|ToXn]] 21:51, May 3, 2007 (GMT)

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I think the paragraph about Smashboards-banned people coming here for retribution is out of date, since we aren't tightly affiliated with them anymore. We should get rid of it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 10:39, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

:Obviously.--'''''<span style="font-family:Arial">[[User:PSIWolf|<span style="color:gold">P</span><span style="color:orange">S</span><span style="color:red">I</span><span style="color:#333333">Wolf</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">T</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">C</span>]] • [[Special:Editcount/PSIWolf|<span style="color:blue">E</span>]])</span> 10:42, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

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== Amendment to include typical bad faith behaviours ==

{{proposal|failed|superseded by [[SmashWiki:Bad faith]]}}
So a major blindspot in our policies is that we don't really make it clear that not all bad faith edits are vandalism, and that just because an edit is non-vandalising does not mean it is good faith. I think we need to expand this policy to also include information about other forms of bad faith, namely:

*'''Refusal to comply with warnings about one's behaviour and editing patterns on the site that may not violate specific policy.''' E.g continuing to make certain edits that have been deemed unconstructive, even after clear warning has been given.
*'''Unwillingness to co-operate with the requests of administrators who point out problematic behaviours of editors on the site.''' E.g repeated failure to correctly use the "show preview" feature, even after having the system of limiting rapid fire edits clearly explained.
*'''Repeatedly and knowingly ignoring article-specific editing notices and restrictions''' E.g repeatedly adding unsubstantiated origin claims on "alternate costumes" pages.

I understand that in many cases these behaviours are punished, however counter-intuitively there is actually no real mention of these behaviours on our policy pages, and I believe that all of the above qualify as "bad faith", and as such there should be official recognition in this policy that they are unacceptable. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 16:02, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
:I know this was only a specific example, but I still maintain that we should never block for lack of show preview button. If a user is literally editing letter by letter or word by word, that's different obviously, but in most cases the offense isn't intrusive enough to warrant a block. I'll give my thoughts on this overall at a later time. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 16:07, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
:I don't know if this policy is the place for it unless there's a major restructuring, but I think it's a good idea to delineate bad-faith behavior further. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 11:54, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
::Regarding that, I struggled to find a good place to put it, and it doesn't seem like something that needs its own entire policy page. Perhaps the vandalism policy can be changed to bad faith, with vandalism being the top example, while also including broader examples of bad faith as a whole? ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 11:59, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
:::Good solution. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 12:02, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
:::I think this is a decent solution as well... but I think it will need to go through sufficient drafting and revision as to the actual language. I think a big problem with making it a policy is that it's very much up to administrators' discretion, and that can be hard to convey, and may result in people issuing warnings "on our behalf" without it actually being problematic or threatening enforcement when we don't intend to take any. IMO it would be better suited to being a guideline... and also part of it falls under just general "wikietiquette" (do we have a page on this already? I don't see one). &ndash; [[User:Emmett|<span style="color:#000000">Emmett</span>]] 13:54, 24 October 2018 (EDT)
::::I definitely agree with that. I agree that we probably should have a more expanded guide to what is considered bad faith, but such a guide should absolutely not be written by one person. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]]&nbsp;[[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 13:57, 24 October 2018 (EDT)

== Vandalized pages ==

Okay! Tell me what pages are vandalized and I'll start hunting them donw!
:Uh, that's not how it works. If a page is vandalized someone would've already reverted them. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 14:26, October 8, 2019 (EDT)
Oops! I didn't even think that! Y'know, I've been blocked from the Super Mario Wiki for vandalizing a trick animation of Donkey Kong from ''Mario Kart 8'' for calling it a "dab".
I think we should only add "dabs" from ''Smash'' games, if I think it's memetic enough, or else. [[Special:Contributions /209.140.37.180|209.140.37.180]] 09:18, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
:I already said SmashWiki is no place for that dab trash. We only mention memes that are well known and are actually relevent to the Smash fandom like the [[Knee of Justice]]. <span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 09:25, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
::I'd like to point out that [https://www.ssbwiki.com/Falco_(SSB4)#Trivia we actually do mention stuff like that], but it has to be a widespread meme. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 09:28, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
In a frame of Little Mac's KO Uppercut, there's a frame for him that seems to have him doing the dab, but I don't it's this memetic. [[Special:Contributions/63.143.195.55|63.143.195.55]] 09:36, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
I said if I think it's memetic enough. [[Special:Contributions/63.143.195.55|63.143.195.55]] 09:37, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
:Here's a tip: if you spend a lot of time searching for a dab that's "memetic", it's most likely not noteworthy. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 09:41, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
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 I said if I think it's memetic enough. [[Special:Contributions/63.143.195.55|63.143.195.55]] 09:37, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
 :Here's a tip: if you spend a lot of time searching for a dab that's "memetic", it's most likely not noteworthy. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 09:41, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
-You know what, I just feel like that Skippa Da Flippa WAS the REAL creator of the dab in 2014, but became even more popular in the world in 2015. Skippa Da Flippa created the dab before ''Super Smash Bros. 4'' was released but maybe after ''Mario Kart 8'' was released. [[Special:Contributions/63.143.192.125|63.143.192.125]] 17:52, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
-:^ Whatever but what does that have to do with Smash??? <span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 21:11, October 9, 2019 (EDT)
-It has to do with Falco's "dab" being back on [[Falco (SSB4)]].<small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:74.89.234.53|74.89.234.53]] ([[User talk:74.89.234.53|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.89.234.53|contribs]]) 14:01, 2019 October 10</small>
-:I was responding to the IP not Alex, I fail to see how Skippa Da Flippa presumably inventing the dab has anything to do with Smash. Also you need to [[SW:SIGN|sign your comments]] (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). <span style="font-family:Algerian;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #2091ff">'''[[User:supatoad64|<span style="color:blue;">SupαToαd64,</span>]] [[User talk:supatoad64|<span style="color:lime;">the Best</span>]]'''</span> [[Image:001Toad.jpg|20px]] 06:14, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
-This actually really doesn't make sense. Why would Falco dab in ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' and why would Donkey Kong dab in ''Mario Kart 8''? ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'' and ''Mario Kart 8'' both got released before the dab got created. [[Special:Contributions/172.58.227.19|172.58.227.19]] 15:29, October 10, 2019 (EDT)
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