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:Really not needed. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 22:16, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Really not needed. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 22:16, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Recent events shown why this Wiki needs an actual userpage policy, and with the community behind it, I felt there was no need to wait any longer on passing this overdue policy. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:26, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Recent events shown why this Wiki needs an actual userpage policy, and with the community behind it, I felt there was no need to wait any longer on passing this overdue policy. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 22:26, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
::BlindColours, I have had enough of this, you cannot tell other users what is not needed when you yourself make such comments like [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:PSIWolf&diff=prev&oldid=377406 this] and [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:BlindColours&diff=prev&oldid=377462 this] which I find pointless and childish, almost like you are getting the last word in for some reason. Although I did not say anything because I [[SW:AGF|assume good faith]] and think you are a valuable user like almost everyone in this wiki. But please reframe from doing this, you've basically achieved nothing apart from possibly hurting Anon's feelings, and if Anon would like to post this remark that he has missed HIS proposal which has been up for a while and sped through in one measly day i think he should.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif ]] 22:29, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
::BlindColours, I have had enough of this, you cannot tell other users what is not needed when you yourself make such comments like [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:PSIWolf&diff=prev&oldid=377406 this] and [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:BlindColours&diff=prev&oldid=377462 this] which I find pointless and childish, almost like you are getting the last word in for some reason. Although I did not say anything because I [[SW:AGF|assume good faith]] and think you are a valuable user like almost everyone in this wiki. But please reframe from doing this, you've basically achieved nothing apart from possibly hurting Anon's feelings, and if Anon would like to post this remark that he has missed HIS proposal which has been up for a while and sped through in one measly day i think he should.--[[User:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|<span style="color: green;">'''Shaun's Wiji Dodo'''</span>]] [[User talk:Shaun's Wiji Dodo|''<span style="color: green;">talk</span>'']] [[File:Untitled-1_copy.gif‎ ]] 22:29, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Woah. That's an easy problem to fix. Sorry.<font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 22:35, 4 September 2011 (EDT)
:Woah. That's an easy problem to fix. Sorry.<font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''Stop smiling, it makes me happy.'' 22:35, 4 September 2011 (EDT)


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This is getting pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned. Rating other users by how much you like them is nothing but trouble and has proved to be such ever since the concept has spread from the userpages of the few to those of the general public. I'd like options on how we can kick it down a notch or seven, maybe even banning the concept (though that's a stretch). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 22:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
This is getting pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned. Rating other users by how much you like them is nothing but trouble and has proved to be such ever since the concept has spread from the userpages of the few to those of the general public. I'd like options on how we can kick it down a notch or seven, maybe even banning the concept (though that's a stretch). [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Chilled 22:55, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
:I would support banning them. They do nothing but strain relations farther between users, and lead to nonconstructive squabbles between users on talk pages that turn into outright insulting. Knowing what users anyone of nonprominence likes is not interesting in the slightest to begin with. It's just a retarded concept started by egocentric and tactless users, and with mine and RD's mocking of it making it even more popular, the only way to kill the fad is to ban it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:16, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
:I would support banning them. They do nothing but strain relations farther between users, and lead to nonconstructive squabbles between users on talk pages that turn into outright insulting. Knowing what users anyone of nonprominence likes is not interesting in the slightest to begin with. It's just a retarded concept started by egocentric and tactless users, and with mine and RD's mocking of it making it even more popular, the only way to kill the fad is to ban it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:16, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
::I Agree. '''Support''' [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:23, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
::I Agree. [[User:Dots|Dots]] [[User talk:Dots|The]] [[Special:Contributions/Dots|Safari]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 23:23, 20 September 2012 (EDT)


'''Support:''' Two users have been banned so far, partially due to the relationship charts existing at all. I want to see this come to an end before any more users get banned for this. [[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(357.5,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 23:50, 20 September 2012 (EDT)
'''Support:''' Two users have been banned so far, partially due to the relationship charts existing at all. I want to see this come to an end before any more users get banned for this. [[User:Bandit|<font style='font-family:myriad pro;font-size:13pt;color:hsl(357.5,100%,50%)'>Bandit</font>]] 23:50, 20 September 2012 (EDT)


This is too specific of a ban. We can't solve all of our problems by just making a rule that outlaws every little thing that goes bad on the wiki. Policies are supposed to be general rules that help the Wiki function in the long run, not specific rules we implement to solve our the problems of the now that won't be relevant in a week. We either need to ban the concept or just kill the matchup charts in other ways and then let it pass. Also, I would like to point out that if we ban the user matchup charts, it can be argued that it conflicts with the "X bugs me" is not a personal attack and therefore does not break policy provision. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 01:38, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
This is too specific of a ban. We can't solve all of our problems by just making a rule that outlaws every little thing that goes bad on the wiki. Policies are supposed to be general rules that help the Wiki function in the long run, not specific rules we implement to solve our the problems of the now that won't be relevant in a week. We either need to ban the concept or just kill the matchup charts in other ways and then let it pass. Also, I would like to point out that if we ban the user matchup charts, it can be argued that it conflicts with the "X bugs me" is not a personal attack and therefore does not break policy provision. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 01:38, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
:There's nothing wrong with banning something specific that has no constructive value and only has the potential to cause needless user disputes and disruption on the wiki. This isn't something that "won't be relevant in a week"; these "relationship matchups" have existed for a while now, and are only growing more popular. I'll also point out that saying we should find other ways to kill it without making any actual suggestions is hardly contributing.
:"''Also, I would like to point out that if we ban the user matchup charts, it can be argued that it conflicts with the "X bugs me" is not a personal attack and therefore does not break policy provision.''"
:This isn't about them being personal attacks, this is about the concept being idiotic, heavily prone to causing needless user disputes, being obvious flame bait in general, while having absolutely no constructive value. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:00, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
::Banning "lists of how much you like other users" is general enough to cover all the problematic cases while leaving things open to other possible lists of users (matchups, funny stuff, etc). I would like to leave the door open somehow for those like RD's because of how obvious it is they're a parody, but that's probably not feasible.
::I should also note that calling these "user matchup charts" is faulty, as the term originally refers to the practice of listing how one fares against others in matches, which is perfectly fine. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The SMASH-GINEER 11:00, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
:::I'm perfectly fine with player matchups; users tend to find them fun, they're interesting as users get to see how they stack up with others, and they have an objectionable basis. I'm referring entirely to "relationship matchups". As for parodies, I'm fine with them, but they just made straight "relationship matchups" more popular, and some users' "parodies" are just terrible and cause issues anyway (see Air Condtioner's "parody" and the subsequent Smash Master dispute). <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 15:34, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
If these do get banned, then alongside that rule on the policy page, I would discourage the basis of these matchup charts, that being "Users I have met on this wiki". We can't ban those, as they do nothing to cause conflict, but they are plain pointless. As if anyone would care if you spoke to a rollbacker once, it's easy enough to just leave something on their talk page. On the same sentence that explains the banning of these matchup charts, I would discourage these too, in the style of a guideline. As for banning these charts in the first place, I'm neutral on that matter. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 08:09, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
I now have no idea why I even had them in the first place. <span style="font-family:Corbel; font-size:12pt">[[User:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkblue">'''Smash''']] [[User talk:Smash Master|<span style="color:darkgreen">'''Master'''</span>]]</span></span> 15:36, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
I '''Support''' what Toomai and OT said at the beginning of this discussion. This causes too much uneeded drama. <span style="font-family:Agency FB; font-size:12pt">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="black">'''Blind'''</font>]]</span><span style="font-family: Berlin Sans FB; font-size:12pt">[[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="red">C</font><font color="purple">ol</font>]][[ Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="green">ou</font><font color="seablue">rs</font>]]</span> [[File:Boing.png|50px]] 18:34, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
Would parodies be considered a bannable offence as well?
Otherwise, I '''support''' this.
--- <font face="American Typewriter">''[[User:ReiDemon|Rei]][[User_talk:ReiDemon|Demon]], Author Extraordinaire''</font>, 18:38, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
:If all lists of how much users are liked are banned, including parodies, are banned, then I will support. But I'm not clear on what it is that's being banned, exactly. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 20:56, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
::Simply, anything that rates/says how much you like each user, which are usually made as "relationship matchups". <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 21:54, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Alrite; I will retract my opposition. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=navy>D<font color=#190080>o<font color=#310080>c<font color=#490080>t<font color=#620080>o<font color=purple>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|{ROLLBACKER}]]</small> 23:31, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
I '''support''' their removal. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:01, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
'''Support, with a small condition.''' If the other user is fine with it, I don't see why you can't describe your relationship with them. [[User:Mr. Anon|<font color="grey">'''Mr. '''</font><font color="midnightblue">'''Anon'''</font>]][[File:Anon.png|23px|link=Special:Random]][[User talk:Mr. Anon|''<span style="color: black;">talk</span>'']]  13:05, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
:Anything that you would have to "ask" another user to have on your userpage shouldn't on there to begin with. We're removing all of this shit, we're not half assing it. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 13:10, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
This proposal seems to have unanimous support. Unless someone can put up a strong oppose before Monday night comes around, we'll start enforcing this. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 00:43, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:I '''strongly oppose''' this. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  15:51, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
::Provide a well thought-out reason or you're wasting our time. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Non-Toxic 16:11, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:I '''Strongly Oppose''' this. I think we should keep them and remove some which cause conflicts, but not all of them. [[User:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''The'''''</font>]] [[User talk:The Awesome|<font color="Blue">'''''Awesome'''''</font>]]  16:15, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
::That is a suggested course of action, not a reason. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Undirigible 16:20, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
::Besides the aforementioned lack of actual reasoning there, I'll briefly say why that's a terrible and half assed way of dealing with this; it makes the Wiki look like tools who are afraid of negativity, and that will still cause problems (for example, someone who thinks they're your bestest friend sees you rated them lower than they like and starts arguing with you on your talk page over it, or someone who thinks you're their friend takes offense when you don't rate them and proceeds to argue about it). Plus, it still has absolutely no potential constructive value nor is of interest to anyone. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 23:54, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
==Now that [[Smashwiki:Ownership]] is a thing....==
What do we do about the [[Smashwiki:User pages#Ownership|ownership section]] on here? I mean obviously link to the relevant policy but I'm not sure if we can just leave it there or if we have to rewrite it. - [[User:EndGenuity|EndGenuity]] ([[User talk:EndGenuity|talk]]) 03:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
==Red links policy==
I would like to raise the issue of red links appearing on user pages and subpages. Currently, the only restriction on this in place is to not create links to articles that are not intended to be made. However, it has been brought up by users such as Omega Tyrant that linking to wanted pages - pages that ''are'' supposed to be made - can also be problematic, as it could serve to artificially inflate the number of red links to a wanted page, pushing it up in the wanted pages cache, which can only display a limited number of pages. Should there be rules in place restricting the ability to link to wanted pages on user pages? And if so, how strict should these restrictions be? ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 19:17, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

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