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Okay, so now that I've sat and observed the goings-on for quite awhile now, this policy doesn't make sense to me anymore. The fact that SmashWiki "just has too many short smasher articles" isn't a reason for not tagging them as stubs. First, you have to consider why we're tagging stubs in the first place as well as what other benefits it offers. Of course, at face value it offers the standard wikified benefit of indicating to the reader that the article provides only fragmented information and entices those knowledgeable on the subject to expand upon it. However, it also categorizes the whole thing into [[:Category:Stubs]], or (even better) [[:Category:Smasher stubs]]. I'm not sure what principle we're trying to enforce here, but if the only reason for not including stub tags is so we don't clutter up Category pages, I gotta say...that's the opposite of what we ultimately want to do. | Okay, so now that I've sat and observed the goings-on for quite awhile now, this policy doesn't make sense to me anymore. The fact that SmashWiki "just has too many short smasher articles" isn't a reason for not tagging them as stubs. First, you have to consider why we're tagging stubs in the first place as well as what other benefits it offers. Of course, at face value it offers the standard wikified benefit of indicating to the reader that the article provides only fragmented information and entices those knowledgeable on the subject to expand upon it. However, it also categorizes the whole thing into [[:Category:Stubs]], or (even better) [[:Category:Smasher stubs]]. I'm not sure what principle we're trying to enforce here, but if the only reason for not including stub tags is so we don't clutter up Category pages, I gotta say...that's the opposite of what we ultimately want to do. | ||
See, by introducing smasher stub templates into small, piddly articles that probably have little or no bearing on the smash community at large, we are effectively sorting through the articles that will eventually get '''deleted'''. It provides us (or "me" or "someone else with initiative") with a list to work with, complete with convenient links to both the useful smasher stubs that ''need'' expanding (like [[Ultra Luigi]] and [[Thunders]]), as well as the ones that should be outright deleted (like Cappin' Wings and PALO DA SUFFOCATER and [[PPS]]). | See, by introducing smasher stub templates into small, piddly articles that probably have little or no bearing on the smash community at large, we are effectively sorting through the articles that will eventually get '''deleted'''. It provides us (or "me" or "someone else with initiative") with a list to work with, complete with convenient links to both the useful smasher stubs that ''need'' expanding (like [[Ultra Luigi]] and [[Thunders]]), as well as the ones that should be outright deleted (like [Cappin' Wings]] and [[PALO DA SUFFOCATER]] and [[PPS]]). | ||
I guess the main problem I have with it is that I just can't see any ''good'' reason for omitting it. The purpose of a stub stag is to indicate to the reader that this article does not necessarily provide the rudimentary information on the subject. When it comes to smasher articles, yes you're right, sometimes there isn't exactly a lot of information available, but that's no reason to withhold that fact. This way, at least the reader ''knows'' there isn't much info available. The English Wikipedia says that a stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information. This is how I prefer to think about smasher stubs: All articles begin as stubs, but you have to treat each one differently and use some discretion and attention to detail when looking at them and to do so, I've found that there are a few distinct "types" of stubs: | I guess the main problem I have with it is that I just can't see any ''good'' reason for omitting it. The purpose of a stub stag is to indicate to the reader that this article does not necessarily provide the rudimentary information on the subject. When it comes to smasher articles, yes you're right, sometimes there isn't exactly a lot of information available, but that's no reason to withhold that fact. This way, at least the reader ''knows'' there isn't much info available. The English Wikipedia says that a stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information. This is how I prefer to think about smasher stubs: All articles begin as stubs, but you have to treat each one differently and use some discretion and attention to detail when looking at them and to do so, I've found that there are a few distinct "types" of stubs: | ||
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A '''GoldenGlove''' stub is basically a list of statistics with no reference to external sources and no way of verifying what any of the stats mean either in or out of context. GoldenGloves need more work than most stubs because typically they contain things like tournament placings, power rankings, crew win-loss records, etc. However, you run into the same problem where the readers seem to think that a wiki is just free webspace to store their data as tournaments progress. | A '''GoldenGlove''' stub is basically a list of statistics with no reference to external sources and no way of verifying what any of the stats mean either in or out of context. GoldenGloves need more work than most stubs because typically they contain things like tournament placings, power rankings, crew win-loss records, etc. However, you run into the same problem where the readers seem to think that a wiki is just free webspace to store their data as tournaments progress. | ||
One big problem with GoldenGlove stubs is that they can't really be marked for deletion. We have to assume that the authors aren't just fabricating tournament standings. Odds are, they probably did play in tournaments and probably did have ''some'' impact on the smash community, no matter how small. However, they don't provide any information about the tournaments themselves or the local smash scene, so these sorts of things need to be incorporated into articles where the subject is not sufficiently covered elsewhere. Most smashers at least provide their place of residence, at which point you can do some detective work at [[ | One big problem with GoldenGlove stubs is that they can't really be marked for deletion. We have to assume that the authors aren't just fabricating tournament standings. Odds are, they probably did play in tournaments and probably did have ''some'' impact on the smash community, no matter how small. However, they don't provide any information about the tournaments themselves or the local smash scene, so these sorts of things need to be incorporated into articles where the subject is not sufficiently covered elsewhere. Most smashers at least provide their place of residence, at which point you can do some detective work at [[SWF]] to dig up more information (that's how I wrote [[CAOTIC]] and [[AngelCX]], despite knowing nothing about them beforehand) but that is a very tiresome process if you have nothing better to do and I won't hold it against anyone for not going back to clean up everyone else's mess. That said, however, I do reserve the right to hold it against someone for ''creating'' a GoldenGlove-esque article without doing it properly in the first place. Especially if you're reading this. | ||
This particular example also has a whole section devoted to [[GoldenGlove#Characters]]..... | This particular example also has a whole section devoted to [[GoldenGlove#Characters]]..... | ||
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== So how many have noticed == | == So how many have noticed == | ||
That there are now | That there are now '''700''' of these? [[User:RoyboyX|<font color="red">'''Roy'''</font><font color="gray">'''boy'''</font><font color="darkred">'''X'''</font>]] [[User talk:RoyboyX|''<span style="color:brown;">'''Talk'''</span>'']] 22:32, 21 November 2013 (EST) | ||
