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#Why not? It would definitely be useful. [[User:Kenniky|kenniky]] [[Image:SMASHROSTERSMALL.png|16px|link=User_talk:kenniky]] 23:58, 23 April 2017 (EDT) | #Why not? It would definitely be useful. [[User:Kenniky|kenniky]] [[Image:SMASHROSTERSMALL.png|16px|link=User_talk:kenniky]] 23:58, 23 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
#Shift to '''Support ''only as a guideline''''' per Nutty. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:54, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | #Shift to '''Support ''only as a guideline''''' per Nutty. [[File:Nyargleblargle.png|16px]][[User: Nyargleblargle|<span style="color:LawnGreen">'''Nyargle</span>]][[User talk:Nyargleblargle|<span style="color: orange;">'''blargle'''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Nyargleblargle|Contribs]]) 19:54, 5 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
==Oppose== | ==Oppose== | ||
#'''Oppose''' Eh, has there been a recent example of somebody making lots of pointless redirects? I would say this is the sort of thing that can be left up to the user's discretion when creating the redirects. If somebody did make a 'needless' redirect such as a capitalisation one, I don't think anyone would stand in the way of an admin wiping it on their own accord. Whether you're looking from the perspective of creating or deleting, generally people will be indifferent about each case. Adding a policy only makes the process feel more stringent, and people might start to question whether or not their redirect is useful. I doubt little-used redirects really take up much server space. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 00:26, 21 April 2017 (EDT) | #'''Oppose''' Eh, has there been a recent example of somebody making lots of pointless redirects? I would say this is the sort of thing that can be left up to the user's discretion when creating the redirects. If somebody did make a 'needless' redirect such as a capitalisation one, I don't think anyone would stand in the way of an admin wiping it on their own accord. Whether you're looking from the perspective of creating or deleting, generally people will be indifferent about each case. Adding a policy only makes the process feel more stringent, and people might start to question whether or not their redirect is useful. I doubt little-used redirects really take up much server space. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="darkorange">Toast</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="seablue">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 00:26, 21 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
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#:That's kind of the point, to get people to think before they make a redirect (or in many cases, a series of them) that I later have to delete <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:47, 21 April 2017 (EDT) | #:That's kind of the point, to get people to think before they make a redirect (or in many cases, a series of them) that I later have to delete <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #0b7">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|16px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0;text-shadow:0px 0px 3px #fd0">King</span>]]'''</span> 00:47, 21 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Oppose'''. This is a completely pointless policy. Redirect usefulness is generally determined on a case-by-case basis. Any user who repeatedly makes clearly useless redirects is likely trying to stir up trouble. If it were a guideline, I may agree, but I see no point in allowing punishment of users who are trying to make the wiki more navigable (or otherwise giving another redundant reason to punish troublemaking users). <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 00:09, 24 April 2017 (EDT) | #'''Oppose'''. This is a completely pointless policy. Redirect usefulness is generally determined on a case-by-case basis. Any user who repeatedly makes clearly useless redirects is likely trying to stir up trouble. If it were a guideline, I may agree, but I see no point in allowing punishment of users who are trying to make the wiki more navigable (or otherwise giving another redundant reason to punish troublemaking users). <small>---Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:MyPage|you]]. Or maybe [[User:DatNuttyKid|DatNuttyKid]].</small> 00:09, 24 April 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Oppose''' I don't like the total ban on typo redirects. You say idiot-proofing, I say user-friendliness. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 10:43, 6 May 2017 (EDT) | #'''Oppose''' This could really easily become controversial, especially regarding the "obscure names" rule, as some people only know something by an otherwise obscure name, e.g move decay (stale-move negation). If it is used by a group of people, no matter how small, it should be valid as a redirect (unless it's like one person who calls it that, in which case I agree that it is invalid). [[User:Alex Parpotta|Alex Parpotta]] ([[User talk:Alex Parpotta|talk]]) 09:41, 6 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
#'''Oppose'''' Agreed with Alex, and I also don't like the total ban on typo redirects. You say idiot-proofing, I say user-friendliness. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 10:43, 6 May 2017 (EDT) | |||
==Neutral== | ==Neutral== | ||
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::I must admit I'm increasingly concerned about the eagerness to delete redirects of value, which includes some misspelling-based redirects. While we certainly don't need to cover every possible misspelling ("Yohsi's Island"), particularly common ones should definitely remain as a means of convenience. There's a point at which you're undoing harmless convenience more than doing anything of value. There's a difference between inventing 37 names for "match timer" and taking out redirects that are probably getting actual use through the search bar. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:29, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | ::I must admit I'm increasingly concerned about the eagerness to delete redirects of value, which includes some misspelling-based redirects. While we certainly don't need to cover every possible misspelling ("Yohsi's Island"), particularly common ones should definitely remain as a means of convenience. There's a point at which you're undoing harmless convenience more than doing anything of value. There's a difference between inventing 37 names for "match timer" and taking out redirects that are probably getting actual use through the search bar. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 11:29, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
:::Although I've made my gripes about the obscure names rule clear, I actually agree with the typos one. As someone who hates typos, I think it's important that it is clearly pointed out when they make a typo. The easiest way to do this is to stop accommodating for spelling errors that users regularly make. for example if someone kept typing "definetely" instead of "definitely", but a redirect made it seamlessly appear as though they had spelt it correctly, they will just continue to make that mistake. [[User:Alex Parpotta|Alex Parpotta]] ([[User talk:Alex Parpotta|talk]]) 12:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | :::Although I've made my gripes about the obscure names rule clear, I actually agree with the typos one. As someone who hates typos, I think it's important that it is clearly pointed out when they make a typo. The easiest way to do this is to stop accommodating for spelling errors that users regularly make. for example if someone kept typing "definetely" instead of "definitely", but a redirect made it seamlessly appear as though they had spelt it correctly, they will just continue to make that mistake. [[User:Alex Parpotta|Alex Parpotta]] ([[User talk:Alex Parpotta|talk]]) 12:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT) | ||
