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== Revision to the "Most historically significant players" guidelines ==
== Revision to the "Most historically significant players" guidelines ==
{{proposal|passed|No opposition.}}


{{proposal}}
Something I've been thinking about is changing the time limit for when these sections can be added to newly released characters and then expanded, as I believe the current time limit of six months before the sections can be created and one year before their limit is expanded to ten players is too lenient. It has been over two years since Ultimate's DLC concluded, yet of the 12 DLC characters, only {{SSBU|Joker}}, {{SSBU|Min Min}}, and {{SSBU|Steve}} even have more than five players, and none are at the ten player limit, while only Steve would threaten to hit that limit anytime soon. Additionally when observing these sections getting revised, I have repeatedly noticed how players that predominantly got their results pre-Covid are determined to not be historically significant and so are cut from these sections, even without necessarily having new players taking their spots, while players that were only playing a character for the first few months of Ultimate almost never stick after these revisions (with only extreme examples like {{Sm|MKLeo}} remaining in {{SSBU|Ike}}'s MHSP section). Seeing how the competitive history of Ultimate is shaping up, and how the userbase has appropriately embraced the higher standards these sections demanded after the initial hesitance when cutting these sections down, I want to better future proof for when the next Smash game (and its DLC) inevitably arrives by proposing the following revisions:
Something I've been thinking about is changing the time limit for when these sections can be added to newly released characters and then expanded, as I believe the current time limit of six months before the sections can be created and one year before their limit is expanded to ten players is too lenient. It has been over two years since Ultimate's DLC concluded, yet of the 12 DLC characters, only {{SSBU|Joker}}, {{SSBU|Min Min}}, and {{SSBU|Steve}} even have more than five players, and none are at the ten player limit, while only Steve would threaten to hit that limit anytime soon. Additionally when observing these sections getting revised, I have repeatedly noticed how players that predominantly got their results pre-Covid are determined to not be historically significant and so are cut from these sections, even without necessarily having new players taking their spots, while players that were only playing a character for the first few months of Ultimate almost never stick after these revisions (with only extreme examples like {{Sm|MKLeo}} remaining in {{SSBU|Ike}}'s MHSP section). Seeing how the competitive history of Ultimate is shaping up, and how the userbase has appropriately embraced the higher standards these sections demanded after the initial hesitance when cutting these sections down, I want to better future proof for when the next Smash game (and its DLC) inevitably arrives by proposing the following revisions:


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:'''Support'''. Yeah once again idk how much this will impact the future inclusions but sounds good to me I guess. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 06:25, January 27, 2024 (EST)
:'''Support'''. Yeah once again idk how much this will impact the future inclusions but sounds good to me I guess. [[File:Grand Dad.png|23x20px]] [[User:NaughtyPigMario|<span style="color: red;">'''NPM'''</span>]]  [[User talk:NaughtyPigMario|''<span style="color: blue;">Morr!?</span>'']] [[File:NaughtyPigBoi.jpg|23x20px]] 06:25, January 27, 2024 (EST)
:'''Support''' - As I've said elsewhere, this will make these sections easier to maintain. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:32, January 28, 2024 (EST)
:'''Support''' - As I've said elsewhere, this will make these sections easier to maintain. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:32, January 28, 2024 (EST)
:'''Support with revisions''' - I think the proposed time tables are too long, I think the sections should be created after six months (perhaps with only a three or four player limit?) and the player limit gradually expanded afterwards rather than being limited to two players for a full two years. [[User:Stuart98|Stuart98]] ([[User talk:Stuart98|talk]]) 14:38, February 11, 2024 (EST)
:'''Support with revisions''' - I think the proposed time tables are too long, I think the sections should be created after six months and the player limit gradually expanded afterwards rather than being limited to two players for a full two years. [[User:Stuart98|Stuart98]] ([[User talk:Stuart98|talk]]) 14:38, February 11, 2024 (EST)
::I think you misread; after a year when the sections are opened up, it would be a limit of five players until the two year mark, not two players. As for doing "six months but a limit of three or four players", I would rather not still; seeing how few players from the very early meta actually stick around on these sections, and with how low sample and highly volatile early meta results are, it would be easier for everyone to wait a year for the meta to settle somewhat before creating these sections and debating which players have already established historical significance. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 18:57, February 11, 2024 (EST)
 
:'''Support''' per above, recency bias is very counter-intuitive when evaluating "historically significant" players. --[[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 15:17, February 11, 2024 (EST)
 
:'''Support''', It’s kinda redundant for it to be made when a character is just add or new game release so it makes sense. [[File:ThegameandwatchIcon2.png|20px]] [[User:Thegameandwatch|<span style=" color: Green;">'''Thegameandwatch'''</span>]] [[File:Thegameandwatch signature icon.png|20px]] [[User talk:Thegameandwatch|''<span style="color: blue;">The Nerd </span>'']] 01:17, February 12, 2024 (EST)

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