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| :*Steve had no established name before being officially named Steve, being named "Steve?" and "Mr. Minecraft" before --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 22:44, August 28, 2023 (EDT) | | :*Steve had no established name before being officially named Steve, being named "Steve?" and "Mr. Minecraft" before --[[User:Meester Tweester|Meester Tweester]] ([[User talk:Meester Tweester|talk]]) 22:44, August 28, 2023 (EDT) |
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| :I aired this out before it was posted, but '''1) is the clearest, most consistent, and most intuitive point'''. As Meester pointed out, there are many examples of character names changing in ways that are extremely notable. In cases where this would happen today, it would be mandatory to change the name no matter what to maintain SEO. While we do use fan terms for advanced techniques, these pale in comparison to official names for characters, which are plastered all over the world; while, say, umeki is a Japan-exclusive term from a very specific piece of Brawl material, compared to [[tech]]. There is an etymological difference here that is extremely notable - tech was a term made in absence of umeki, which never asserted itself. I think only changing when a Smash release occurs is arbitrary, lacks future-proofing, and if it were solely for the sake of representing material as it exists in Smash, you can solve that with a redirect. Smash itself can become outdated or inaccurate in representing characters - see how Ganondorf represents an outright unreleased version of the character, Bowser is based on a child's interpretation of the NES version, and Roy has a completely different personality to his home games. There has to be a consistent line here when you're handling a page meant to discuss the character as it exists in its own media. Otherwise, what are they for, really? To me, I see them as gateways into outside franchises, and handy for the modern "homage to gaming history" direction the series has been taking. - [[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]][[User:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">'''Plague'''</span>]][[User talk:Plague von Karma|<span style="color: #4952eb;">''' von Karma'''</span>]][[File:PlagueSigImage.png|20px]] 00:16, August 29, 2023 (EDT)
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| == Series names ==
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| This has always sort of bothered me, but it's been minor enough that I haven't gotten around to bringing it up until now.
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| To put it simply, I think that the formatting of a series' name should be what is most applicable to grammar—more specifically, we have pages related to "Sonic '''T'''he Hedgehog", and we have links (granted, not page names proper, but still) with "DRAGON QUEST", "FATAL FURY", "KINGDOM HEARTS", and the like, and I think that those should be fixed/changed.
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| *For the first point, this might just be a personal thing, but I think it looks really dumb. Seeing every word capitalized in something has always bothered me, and it's no different here. I get that it's formatted like that in Ultimate, but the formatting of Sonic's series name has always been inconsistent in the series (all-caps in Brawl, and formatted as "Sonic '''t'''he Hedgehog" in Smash 4), but everyone is smart enough not to capitalize "the" in conversation because it's not a proper noun. Say what you will about Sega using all caps (they're still doing it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8vW8nKbo2Y even now]), but I consider that a different beast.
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| *For the second point, as I was looking around the wiki, I noticed that there's literally only one template that utilizes all caps for linking purposes, and that's the {{t|Music}} template. Other templates that list the different series collectively—{{t|Spirit list}}, {{t|Sticker list}}, and {{t|Trophy list}}—don't use all-caps for the series that do in the music template, and I think that's really inconsistent, especially since stickers were only in Brawl, the only game to capitalize the Sonic the Hedgehog name in reference to the series in all instances (Smash 4 does it in its sound test, but that's the exception and not the example). I do, however, think that there should be two exceptions to this: ARMS, which is capitalized in all instances and not just series formatting, and R.O.B., which is a proper acronym.
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| **That being said, an argument could be made to where things are consistent ''and'' capitalized names are kept capitalized for linking purposes; I personally disagree with that mindset, but it still exists as a consistency-related option.
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| In line with both of these changes, I think the following, or something akin to it, should be put into the manual of style:
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| :"''Universe names are to match conversation-level formatting and ignore any in-game capitalization, barring any direct quoting of in-game text.''"
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| This ensures that the actual in-game text referring to games/series (including instances of "Sonic The Hedgehog" and "DRAGON QUEST") are kept where they should be, like spirit names or tips, but are also made much easier for linking purposes and ensure people don't get tripped up by linking to a non-existent "Sonic '''t'''he Hedgehog" page. This also aligns with our stances on [[SW:OFFICIAL|not being official]], as well as matching the already existing policies on this very page about both proper nouns and community-level terms. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: black;">'''Aidan'''</span>]] [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: orange">'''the Spooky Gamer'''</span>]] 12:19, October 9, 2024 (EDT)
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| '''Support'''. We already skip the all-caps brand formatting for legibility reasons; no reason to keep an awkward "The" where it can be easily sidestepped. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 14:44, October 9, 2024 (EDT)
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