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Anyways, I suggest that we implement "bans" on here. Basically, unlike a block, where the user is forbidden from editing anything, (except for their talk page if enabled) bans allow users to continue editing...except for the pages that they clearly should not be editing due to the disruption that they cause. When applying a ban, one basically selects the category that the user should not be permitted to edit for the set duration. You can also choose a number of random pages that aren't all in the same category to ban the user from, and can even ban them from ''one individual page'' if it's the main source of their disruptiveness without having to fully protect it and possibly disrupt the work of other editors; (especially useful for troublesome users who have it out for one specific page and not (so much) others). The way I see it is like the differing views in the "Probation vs. Block" debate that happened years ago. Blocking users for over-editing their userpages would be too harsh, as it prohibits the users from making any constructive edits that they may want to make, but probating them enables them to do this, but it just prevents them from editing the pages that lead to them getting in trouble...just like with banning them, except that these can be applied to almost any situation. | Anyways, I suggest that we implement "bans" on here. Basically, unlike a block, where the user is forbidden from editing anything, (except for their talk page if enabled) bans allow users to continue editing...except for the pages that they clearly should not be editing due to the disruption that they cause. When applying a ban, one basically selects the category that the user should not be permitted to edit for the set duration. You can also choose a number of random pages that aren't all in the same category to ban the user from, and can even ban them from ''one individual page'' if it's the main source of their disruptiveness without having to fully protect it and possibly disrupt the work of other editors; (especially useful for troublesome users who have it out for one specific page and not (so much) others). The way I see it is like the differing views in the "Probation vs. Block" debate that happened years ago. Blocking users for over-editing their userpages would be too harsh, as it prohibits the users from making any constructive edits that they may want to make, but probating them enables them to do this, but it just prevents them from editing the pages that lead to them getting in trouble...just like with banning them, except that these can be applied to almost any situation. | ||
But it's not just restrictions from editing certain content. Bans can also be applied to users who share rivalries on the wiki. Basically, when this type of ban is applied, the user who is punished is not allowed to edit the userpage or talk page of the user that they are having frequent problems with, revert any edits made by that user, reply to them in discussions, or even mention their name anywhere on the wiki, (whether it be directly or indirectly). Now obviously, this type of ban should be used sparingly as it has the possibility of interfering with constructive behavior. That's basically the gist of it, and for | But it's not just restrictions from editing certain content. Bans can also be applied to users who share rivalries on the wiki. Basically, when this type of ban is applied, the user who is punished is not allowed to edit the userpage or talk page of the user that they are having frequent problems with, revert any edits made by that user, reply to them in discussions, or even mention their name anywhere on the wiki, (whether it be directly or indirectly). Now obviously, this type of ban should be used sparingly as it has the possibility of interfering with constructive behavior. That's basically the gist of it, and for even better explanation than I could ever hope to provide, you can check [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Banning policy|here]]. | ||
(And as a note to readers: Yes, I know that I would need to personally talk to Porple about implementing this, but I figured it would be better to get community consensus first without clogging his talk page). '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|La li lu le lo!]] 18:56, 27 January 2015 (EST) | (And as a note to readers: Yes, I know that I would need to personally talk to Porple about implementing this, but I figured it would be better to get community consensus first without clogging his talk page). '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|La li lu le lo!]] 18:56, 27 January 2015 (EST) | ||
:How would this be any different from just telling a user to stop being disruptive, and blocking them if they refuse? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 19:19, 27 January 2015 (EST) | :How would this be any different from just telling a user to stop being disruptive, and blocking them if they refuse? [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brazen 19:19, 27 January 2015 (EST) | ||
::Well, this method is meant for the type of disruption that stems from repeated editing to certain pages incorrectly or without the right knowledge. If they insist on continuing their subpar editing to said pages, then instead of blocking them for it, we can simply ban them from editing those certain pages for anywhere from 14 minutes (or whatever the minimum block time is) to indefinite, allowing them to continue with their less disruptive edits and contribute constructively to the Wiki. If this were any other type of offense, then yes, the method you just mentioned would be fine. I only mentioned the other types of bans (i.e. the one that forbids interaction between certain users, which admittedly I find somewhat stupid) just to show that this rule has more than one purpose that could come into play here, and those instances are certainly not the part that I'm pushing for here. The main thing I'm getting at is the part about constant editing of certain types of pages that the user shouldn't be editing due to lack of knowledge or whatever, (and somewhat, the part about using this tool as an alternative to protection, so that you can easily prevent counter-productive edit warring while still allowing the more constructive edits to that page to be made). As much as I don't like talking about others behind their backs, I guess I'll have to actually present an example now, and that would be Myth. Often times, he was called out for constantly editing Smasher pages despite not knowing enough about competitive Smash, and got blocked twice. In his case, had we implemented bans back then, we could have simply prevented him from editing those pages so he could still edit elsewhere (as to be honest, most of his non-Smasher edits were just fine if not exceptional). | ::Well, this method is meant for the type of disruption that stems from repeated editing to certain pages incorrectly or without the right knowledge. If they insist on continuing their subpar editing to said pages, then instead of blocking them for it, we can simply ban them from editing those certain pages for anywhere from 14 minutes (or whatever the minimum block time is) to indefinite, allowing them to continue with their less disruptive edits and contribute constructively to the Wiki. If this were any other type of offense, then yes, the method you just mentioned would be fine. I only mentioned the other types of bans (i.e. the one that forbids interaction between certain users, which admittedly I find somewhat stupid) just to show that this rule has more than one purpose that could come into play here, and those instances are certainly not the part that I'm pushing for here. The main thing I'm getting at is the part about constant editing of certain types of pages that the user shouldn't be editing due to lack of knowledge or whatever, (and somewhat, the part about using this tool as an alternative to protection, so that you can easily prevent counter-productive edit warring and vandalism while still allowing the more constructive edits to that page to be made). As much as I don't like talking about others behind their backs, I guess I'll have to actually present an example now, and that would be Myth. Often times, he was called out for constantly editing Smasher pages despite not knowing enough about competitive Smash, and got blocked twice. In his case, had we implemented bans back then, we could have simply prevented him from editing those pages so he could still edit elsewhere (as to be honest, most of his non-Smasher edits were just fine if not exceptional). | ||
::In short, this is different because it allows users to still make their less disruptive edits while still preventing the cause of the disruption from happening. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|La li lu le lo!]] 20:02, 27 January 2015 (EST) | ::In short, this is different because it allows users to still make their less disruptive edits while still preventing the cause of the disruption from happening. '''[[User:MeatBall104|MeatBall104;]]''' [[User talk:MeatBall104|La li lu le lo!]] 20:02, 27 January 2015 (EST) | ||