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'''''Result''':  Promoted to Sysop.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 01:03, 12 December 2008 (UTC)''
=== [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|Miles.oppenheimer]] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]] &bull; [[Special:Editcount/Miles.oppenheimer|edit count]] &bull; [[SmashWiki:Requests for adminship/Miles.oppenheimer|RFA page]]) ===
''Candidate, please summarize why you are running for adminship below.''

Hey, the name's [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|Miles]].  I've been a regular contributor since I joined in April.  My [[Special:Editcount/Miles.oppenheimer|edit count]] shows how much I've added.  I am also a rollback'r, which I think is just another sign that I would be a qualified administrator. I've been a regular anti-vandal, and I know that I would be even more effective at this were I a sysop.  My [[SmashWiki:Requests for rollback/Miles.oppenheimer|rollback approval can be found here]], and the concept is pretty similar for me: the position just increases my ability to improve the wiki.

List of accomplishments:

*[[Music (SSBB)]]: All of the video links and most of the Usage column other than what stage the song plays on.
*[[Template:SSBBStages]]: Adding the SSE stages, anti-vandal watching of all of these and all other stages.
*Stage infoboxes for all the SSE stage articles.
*Splitting [[The Wilds]], [[Research Facility]] and the others ones of the sort.
*General wiki-markup, such as stub and cleanup marking.
*Writing the articles [[Outside the Ancient Ruins]], [[Battleship Halberd Interior]], [[Battleship Halberd Exterior]], [[Battleship Halberd Bridge]] and more.
*Basic designs for templates, such as [[Template:Split]] and [[Template:Opening]], as well as actually ''using'' the otherwise defunct [[Template:Image]]

I won't say too much right now, but I think that my contributions speak for themselves. {[[User:Miles.oppenheimer|My name is Miles,]] [[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|and I approve]] [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|this message.]]} 15:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


==== Support ====
* '''Really Support''', The guy is cool, and frankly knows how to make user boxes, a skill limited to only people who explore deeply. Go miles [[User:Learner4|Learner4]] ([[User talk:Learner4|talk]]) 22:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:I really feel I must comment here. Userboxes aren't exactly wiki-elite. I even have [[User:Shadowcrest/Userbox|a template]] in my userspace to make them differently than the ones here. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 23:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
* '''Support''', he does a lot of stuff on smashwiki and stops vandalism. [[User:Alex25|Luigi wannabee 25]] ([[User talk:Alex25|talk]]) 16:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
* '''Support''', he's a great guy and a great contributor, taking over teh smash arena even though he didn't have to. Will make a great admin --'''[[User:Gutripper|<span style="color:orange">Gutripper</span>]][[User Talk:Gutripper|<small><sup><span style="color:Black">Speak if you are worthy</span></sup></small>]]''' 23:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support.''' You're smart, a great contributor, and a huge help to the wiki, even though i think you've been here less than me. [[User:Xtrme|<span style="color:Gray">Xtrme</span>]] [[User talk:Xtrme|<span style="color:Red">Talk 2 X</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xtrme|<span style="color:Gold">Wut X is doing</span>]] 00:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Same reason for why I supported for RFR, I guess. '''[[User:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gray">Mario</span><span style="color:Silver">Galaxy</span>]]''' {[[User talk:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gray">talk</span>]]} 00:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''  Miles has done nothing but good fort this wiki.  Good luck!  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 01:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support''' &mdash; I'm convinced 5280s would be the perfect candidate of the current bunch to become an administrator. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 02:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' I haven't a bad thing to say about this user. '''[[User:Silverdragon706|Silverdragon706/FyreNWater]]''' -  <small>([[User talk:Silverdragon706|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Silverdragon706|C]] )</small> 05:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Strong Support:''' This dude is amazing. He has changed tiny stubs into potential featured articles. I remember when I first started going on this wiki seeing his name at the bottom of ''alot'' of pages, at the "[[User:Miles.oppenheimer|Miles.oppenheimer]] made an edit at (time)". <font face="verdana" size="2">[[User:Baltro|<span style="color:red">'''Baltro'''</span>]]</font> <small>[ [[User Talk:Baltro|<span style="color:orangered">'''talk'''</span>]] ]</small> 00:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support.''' Though usually I believe vandal-fighting is really a disguise for wanting +dicksize, even if for Miles it is, I think he (and RC!) could benefit from sysop tools. I also believe he can be moderately successful at user-related things if he tries hard enough. Like Pikamander2, I believe that there is potential in Miles.</s>  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 21:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Very nice contributions. You'd be a great sysop.[[User:Smorekingxg456|<font face="vivaldi" size="3" >O,]] [[User Talk:Smorekingxg456|Mighty]] [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|Smoreking</font>]] 00:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Awesome contribs to this wikia. Not a single bad thing done. [[User:Masterman|<font color="red">Mas</font><font color="Black">ter</font><font color="Blue">man</font>]] [[User talk: Masterman|<font color="Green">What's the matter?</font>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Masterman|<font color="Brown">Scared?</font>]]
*'''Support''' Not going to call anyone stupid, but what moron would oppose Miles? He's been one of the best things to happen to the wiki, and thus deserves adminship. Let's not forget to mention his pwnsome UserBox skillz. <font face="forte">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:orange">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font><font face="forte"> <small><sup>[[User Talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:red">Talk to me</span>]]</sup></small></font> 11:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Super-Massive Support''' It's amazing that this guy isn't an admin already. --'''[[User:Toon Ganondorf|<span style="color:green">Toon</span> <span style="color:purple">Ganondorf</span>]][[User Talk:Toon Ganondorf|<small><sup><span style="color:Gold">CHAT</span></sup></small>]]''' 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Awesome, Miles.  Great guy, complete know-it-all/contributor/wiki markup expert/loser (not really, LOL)/vandalism combator.  Gonna go all the way, Miles!  Good luck. [[User:Fried beef1|<font color="Red">Fried beef1</font>]] [[User talk:Fried beef1|<font color="Blue">Holler</font>]]  [[Special:Contributions/Fried beef1|<font color="Green">Gifts</font>]] 21:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Having observed his editing ethic on pages such as the [[Music (SSBB)]] page and his evident interest in working on several types of content ([[User:Miles.oppenheimer/Image_Project|his Image Project subpage is what I'm referring to]]), I would recommend him for the admin position. [[User:Erik the Appreciator|Erik Jensen]] <b><sup>([[User talk:Erik the Appreciator|Appreciate me here!]])</sup></b> 04:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Great guy, reliable, friendly. Good luck Miles! '''[[User:Pikabro|<span style="color:blue"> Pikabro</span>]][[User Talk:Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:darkorange">PIKA</span></sup></small>]][[Special:Contributions/Pikabro|<small><sup><span style="color:red">CHU!</span></sup></small>]]''' 22:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
* '''MEGA SUPPORT''' He rally deserves this ithink in the opinion of my friend brandon, who itold about the wiki but does not want to join. in my oppion i dont care [[User:Falconpawnch|Falconpawnch]] ([[User talk:Falconpawnch|talk]]) 20:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Now lets check this guy out, Great edits, levelheaded, Obviously dedicated to the well being of this wiki and so much more. But here its comes, I think that he's a little too new and that he is moving this Rfa too fast considering he has ran for Rollback not long ago. Another thing is that I feel his ego is getting a little too big for this wiki. One small thing I have left is that I think personally a sysop has to be strict, someone who can laugh but still won't be lenient on a vandal who has vandalised countless times. This was originally going to be Neutral but seeing as how you ended your small "Discussion with Shadowcrest" so maturely and nicely shows how you can see the other person's viewpoint and your own self control ( at least something good came out of it huh?). So congratulations Miles, your definetly the man for the job. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 23:06, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

<s>Seeing as there is overwhelming support, I move that this RfA be closed with the result a promotion. <small>[[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 21:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)</small></s>

:Hush you. You don't get to make the choices here. :P --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 00:31, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
::<s>Yet. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 20:52, 9 November 2008 (UTC)</s>
:::# ...
:::# Last I checked this isn't a RfB, so no, you still wouldn't be making the decisions. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 22:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. Your very high-quality contributions and even-handed diplomacy impress me and you show the type of back-end commitment we lack here, even now with the wider admin pool. Regarding Shadowcrest's concerns, I'm hard-pressed to find any evidence in your other contributions to substantiate them, though I suggest you not try to jump the gun on this adminship. It'll happen with patience. <font face="centaur">&ndash; [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 00:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you for your appreciation, and you make a valid point.  [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 20:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Support''', given the circumstances including little viable competition and ''general'' decency at the job. What I said down in neutral I still technically believe, I just find that overall I am happy with miles.  --<span style="font-family:vivaldi; font-size:12pt">[[User:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4">Shadow</span>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<span style="color:#4682b4;">crest</span>]]</span> 21:14, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

==== Oppose ====
*I'm In No Place To Say This, But You Start WAYYYYYY Too Many Edit Wars. God No. '''Massive Oppose''' He Dwells On Things Outside Of Where Needed And Brings Up Arguments On Talk Pages For No Reason. I Have A Reason For Doing So :) [[User:Kperfekt722|<font color="purple">"Handsome"</font>]] [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<font color="yellow">Hollywood</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<font color="red">K.</font>]] 22:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:That's true. You are in no place to say that. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]]</font>)</span></font> 04:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Everyone is in place to say anything that they think is important to the decision.  It is not at all helping your RfA that you keep trying to find ways to silent your critics without actually responding to their points.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 04:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm fairly certain Miles would respond to the point if Kperfect had raised one with a basis. Asserting that Miles starts edit wars means nothing without evidence. --[[User:Sky2042|Sky]] ([[User talk:Sky2042|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Sky2042|c]] · [[User:Sky2042|w]]) 05:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::::The only edit war in which I was ever involved was with Kperfekt over [[Template:SubspaceArmy]], which he started.  He insisted that King Dedede be considered a smasher accomplice, but provided false evidence to prove his point by claiming he had used a Dark Cannon.  I kept my cool, [[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer/Archive1#FOR THE LAST TIME|but he didn't]]. In the end, he was added as an unwilling member on the evidence of him having distracted Meta Knight before the story began, which unintentionally aided the Subspace Army.  I think this actually goes to show that I can solve user disputes well. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]]</font>)</span></font> 16:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::#"He started it" is a poor reason
:::::#That's a conflict dispute.  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 21:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::#A reason for what?
::::::#I presume you meant a content dispute. I still think I showed the same set of people skills is managing that problem as would be needed for a user dispute. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]]</font>)</span></font> 23:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::#It's a poor excuse. Just saying "person Y started it" doesn't magically somehow excuse that person X was involved.
:::::::#Lol yeah, sorry, I meant content. While you need people skills to resolve both, they're very different. With user conflicts there's not really an "easy way out", you have to think (usually long and hard) about how you can resolve the conflict and what the consequences of any given path are. Additionally, user conflicts can rise tempers like no content dispute ever can. And I don't think you'd be great at that.  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 00:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::#I wasn't trying to excuse myself from blame; the page's history shows it was reverted by other users besides me anyway.
::::::::#I'm sorry you think that.  I disagree. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="mediumslateblue">talk]]</font>)</span></font> 00:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The issues I have with this is not the edit war's particular content, but 1) that it was an edit war (no big deal), and 2) that you tell another user that he has no right to oppose your RfA (big deal).  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 01:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You misunderstand.  I was only trying to show that he was in no place to say that I start edit wars, as he started the only one I was involved in.  He has every right to oppose my RfA, even if I think his reason for doing so is factually incorrect. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="green"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="red">([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|<font color="red">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 21:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah, you keep on telling yourself that your "Factually Correct". You look for trouble on other talk pages. I'm not gonna bring up who's, but there is more then 3 different ones. That's more then enough reason for me to Oppose. [[User:Kperfekt722|<font color="purple">"Handsome"</font>]] [[User talk:Kperfekt722|<font color="yellow">Hollywood</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kperfekt722|<font color="red">K.</font>]] 04:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Miles never brings up fights. What on Earth are you talking about? <span style="border:2px outset #33cc00;background-color:#ff0000;-moz-border-radius:7px"> [[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<font style="font-family:arial black;"><span style="color:#ffffff">Koopa</span>]] [[File:Koopersshell.gif|19px]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#ffffff">Klaus</span></font>]]</span> 10:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

==== Neutral ====
*<s>'''Neutral with slight opposition'''. I am afraid there is more epeen strength in this request than I had previously accounted for. While I have no concerns about this user handling the vandalism and like and such as (spot the reference!), I now lack confidence in this user's ability to deal with other users, which is just as (if not more) important. </s> --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 22:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
:My "Yet." above was intended in a joking manner, and I'm disappointed that you feel my "people skills" are subpar.  I would point out that for the most part, I've been a very even-minded user and would follow the same basic behavior as an admin. I have tried to show at every turn that I'm more than just a good editor/contributor, and that I can mediate between users as well.  I hope you can see where I'm coming from. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 04:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
::RfAs have a strong tendency to inflate an ego, and I fear that yours will be particularly susceptible, which will in turn present itself (negatively) during user conflicts and other drama. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 15:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I understand your concern, though I respectfully disagree. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 23:22, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
::::I think Miles is responsible/wise enough to be an admin. What do you think would happen, the "[[User:Randall00|incident]]" would repeat itself? '''[[User:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gray">Mario</span><span style="color:Silver">Galaxy</span>]]''' {[[User talk:MarioGalaxy|<span style="color:Gray">talk</span>]]} 23:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::There's only one way to find out...  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:Promoting users to see if they screw up is a very poor practice indeed. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 00:23, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::I was just saying is all.  Everyone's taking a chance when they support someone for sysop.  Will they help the wiki?  The 4 (including myself) running right now probably will, but you never know until they're promoted.  You can't successfully argue with the truth.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:31, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I can in fact argue, not least of all because what may or may not happen in the future isn't truth. You yourself even said "probably" in that last sentence. Probably != will. Additionally, "help the wiki" is ambiguous and has multiple meanings. Therefore, you can excel at one thing but fail another, and still be a detriment to the wiki depending on what the cases are. There is always a little chance involved, but tbh you don't promote someone if you don't have a clue how they will act as a sysop. Which, tbh, I am fast losing faith in. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 00:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::You losing faith in fellow users!?!  No way!  By the truth, I meant the fact that you'll never know what someone will do once they become a sysop.  They could become a benevolent, active, and determined sysop; or they could become irresponsible and abuse their powers.  Unless you're a psychic, don't argue.  I still maintain that the 4 here are qualified, but whether or not you do is your thing.  You should become more trusting and have faith in other people besides the sysops. <small>'' The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Cheezperson|Cheezperson]].''</small>  04:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:...fine, but you asked for it.
:[[SmashWiki:Assume good faith]] applies when there is no evidence to be found to the contrary. AGF does '''''not''''' apply when there is reason to suspect otherwise. Judging by comments and the like here and elsewhere, I have been forced to revise my position of support for miles. While the argument "you'll never know until..." is technically true, one can typically predict fairly accurately how well a user will handle the sysop position. Again, I have judged what I've seen of the candidates and voted accordingly. Imo, people need to stop voting because the candidate is nice or because they're a friend, because that's a terrible reason. After all, unless you're a psychic, don't tell me they'll make a good sysop despite evidence to the contrary. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 15:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I can't force you to support, but I can suggest that you assume good faith in others more often.  This talk is over, the page is getting too long.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 20:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::RfAs exist to produce discussion which in turn advises the bcrat of what the public feels and helps to provide insight on the candidate, so your "too long" argument is not valid. Additionally, I must assume you missed my entire last post or just tl;dr'd it, because you basically ignored everything I said about when to and when not to assume good faith :<   --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 21:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Both of you stop.  Shadowcrest has made up his mind, and despite my disagreement with it, this argument is going nowhere.  Please discuss this elsewhere if you feel it necessary to continue. [[User:Miles.oppenheimer|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] ([[User talk:Miles.oppenheimer|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Miles.oppenheimer|contribs]])</span> 21:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Read the first line of my above post tbh :/  --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 22:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Neutral with a lean toward support.'''  I'm reasonably certain that, based on what I've seen, Miles would make a competent administrator.  He seems generally rational, level-headed, willing to compromise, etc., all good traits, and thus the "lean toward support."  The only thing major thing that worries me is that, on the admittedly limited basis of some comments he's made on this RfA, he doesn't always seem to consider the implications of his words.  For example, ''I'' personally see his "yet" comment for the joke that he seemingly intended it to be.  I also understand what he ''meant'' when he disputed Kperfect's vote, but the fact is that perception often supersedes reality, particularly, I've found, on Wikis where semantics are often of paramount importance.  Those kinds of offhand, seemingly innocuous remarks can have remarkably far-reaching consequences.  As such, and because I don't feel I know Miles well enough to either fully support or fully oppose, it's a neutral vote from me.  &ndash; [[User:Defiant Elements|<font color="black">Defiant Elements</font>]] [[user talk:Defiant Elements|<font color=black><small>''+talk''</small></font>]] 04:23, 30 November 2008 (UTC)               
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Substitution	<includeonly></includeonly> <noinclude></noinclude>