Editing SmashWiki:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive 3

{{IP|92.251.208.153}} [[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#000022">'''''Doc'''''</font>]][[User Talk: Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#000066">'''''tor'''''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="#0000BB">'''''Pain'''''</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Dr. Pain 99|<font color="blue">'''''99'''''</font>]] [[file:DoctorPain99.png|19px]] 11:14, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

{{IP|207.190.75.131}} <span style="font-family:Vijaya; font-size:12pt">[[User:Garo108|<span style="color:brown">Garo</span>]][[User talk:Garo108|<span style="color:lightgreen">108</span>]]</span> 09:15, 9 November 2010 (EST)

::I suppose we have different views on how to handle vandalism then. <span style="font-family:Vijaya; font-size:12pt">[[User:Garo108|<span style="color:brown">Garo</span>]][[User talk:Garo108|<span style="color:lightgreen">108</span>]]</span> 10:16, 9 November 2010 (EST)

:Minor one-time vandalism. A block isn't needed imo. In addition, that can be a tournament, as the ip took the time to post his placing, whether or not it's true, and the *.--<span style="font-family:Forte">[[User:Megatron1|<span style="color:maroon">Mega</span>]][[User talk:Megatron1|<span style="color:silver">Tron1</span>]][[User:Megatron1/Laughology|<span style="color:blue">XD</span>]]</span>[[File:Decepticon.png|19px|:p]] 23:55, 12 December 2010 (EST)

[[Category:SmashWiki]]

==Home-run/Home-Run==

:::<nowiki>:/</nowiki> [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 16:23, 28 December 2010 (EST)

== Leeching icon from Wikia ==

===Crawling===

Can [[Crawling]] be moved to [[Crawl]], please (there's a redirect which needs to be deleted to allow the move). - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 19:55, 27 January 2011 (EST)

::As [[SmashWiki:Manual of Style#Article_titles]] states:

:::''Titles should be nouns as opposed to verbs.''

::"Crawl" is a noun, "Crawling" is a present-tense verb. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 14:51, 30 January 2011 (EST)

::::Well, "Crawl" seemed more intuitive to me, but... *shrugs* - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 15:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

===Team battle/Battle===

Team battle -> [[Team Battle]], as "Battle" is capitalised in the [[Team Healer]] trophy. - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 15:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

===Camera [Mode]===

== Reverting war ==

Theres users that keep reverting my pictures. BlindColours and other users keep reverting my pictures. You need to block them indefinite immediately so block them NNOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Brandondorf9999|Brandondorf9999]] ([[User talk:Brandondorf9999|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Brandondorf9999|contribs]]) 22:45, 29 August 2011 (EDT)</small>

==Sidebar==

==What happened to my account?==

I am [[User:Randall00|Randall00]], a largely inactive administrator. My account appears to no longer exist when I try to log in. What has happened here? I do require some degree of control over some of my personal information scattered about this wiki and the historical record of [[CCSC]] events, however I will have some difficulty doing so if my account is not restored.  --[[Special:Contributions/192.41.148.220|192.41.148.220]] 16:14, 21 December 2011 (EST)

::Great, thank you very much. --[[User:Randall00|Randall00]] ([[User talk:Randall00|talk]]) 16:41, 21 December 2011 (EST)

==Mr. Curious==

I'm just going to give you guys a heads up. Mr. Curious is an extremely stubborn person from SmashWikia. You can see the things he's done [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=CrappyCaptureDevice&action=history here], [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Crawling&action=history here], [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wall_jump&action=history here], and [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:CrappyCaptureDevice here]. He has been blocked MULTIPLE times, but he changes his IP address to evade the blocks. You can also ask the people back at SmashWikia about his behavior, more specifically, Conkers Bad Fur Day or GunBlazer.  [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 23:01, 30 January 2012 (EST)

:::Not sure if my opinion is warranted, but judging by his contribs on the other Wiki, his history shows that if he makes similar edits to the ones he did on the other wiki, his edits would warrant a permaban regardless of his history on the other wiki. His edits constitute vandalism, and therefore his account fits the definition of a "throw-away" account, one who comes on and only vandalises, warranting a permaban. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|_{ROLLBACKER}]] 23:35, 30 January 2012 (EST)

:::::Ah, okay. I didn't see that; looking at a list of edits isn't the same thing as being a part of the situation, and slightly misinterpreted the chain of events. But I still believe if he starts harassing users or vandalising, there isn't a thing in the world that would make him a contributor to the Wiki. '''''[[User:Dr. Pain 99|<font color=red>D<font color=#DC0000>o<font color=#A50000>c<font color=#6E0000>t<font color=#370000>o<font color=black>rP</font>a</font>i</font>n</font>9</font>9</font>]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pain 99|_{ROLLBACKER}]] 23:48, 30 January 2012 (EST)

== Beware ==

Is anyone aware that this guy [[User:SSBC Fan]] could be really SSBC and is evading his block? '''<font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FF00">THE</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FF80">AVENGING</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FFFF">BANDIT</font>]]</font>''' 19:39, 11 February 2012 (EST)

::SSBC isn't blocked on this wiki anyways. 21:21, 11 February 2012 (EST) <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Mr. Anon|Mr. Anon]] ([[User talk:Mr. Anon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mr. Anon|contribs]]) 21:21, 11 February 2012 (EST)</small>

:::Sign your comments next time. OK? '''<font face="Algerian">[[User:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FF00">THE</font>]][[User talk:Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FF80">AVENGING</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Avengingbandit|<font color="#00FFFF">BANDIT</font>]]</font>''' 21:39, 11 February 2012 (EST)

::::Then be ready if he does. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Bein']] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Friends]] 17:33, 14 February 2012 (EST)

:Does the user have the same IP as SmashPeter's. That what I would like to know about. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Bein']] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Friends]] 17:36, 14 February 2012 (EST)

== [[User:Brandondorf9999]] block evasion ==

If you could change my username, that would work too. <span style="font-family:Andalus; font-size:12pt">[[User:MetaIke|<font color="indigo">'''Meta'''</font>]] [[User talk:Meta Ike|<font color="purple">'''Ike'''</font>]]</span> [[File:MetaIke.png|34px]]  15:09, 24 March 2012 (EDT)

::Okay. I'm thinking... <span style="font-family:Andalus; font-size:12pt">[[User:MetaIke|<font color="indigo">'''Meta'''</font>]] [[User talk:Meta Ike|<font color="purple">'''Ike'''</font>]]</span> [[File:MetaIke.png|34px]]  12:58, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Userpage deletion is a controversial topic, but I believe these protected userpages can be agreed upon to be deleted. They're all userpages of users who have been inactive for over six months and some cases, of users publicly announcing leaving the Wiki. They're also userpages of users who did '''absolutely nothing''' to get the protection undone. And in the case of one user, their userpage is just an advertisement for things they do outside the Wiki.

:I'm guessing this is punishment for not contributing? I'm not sure about this. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|The]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Scientist]] [[File:NintenNESsprite.png|19px]] 09:09, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

:There are a ton of userpages for users who don't actually have accounts, cos the pages were imported from Wikia, but you want to delete this small handful, for no particularly good reason, despite the fact that all these users have been active within the last year? ahahahaha'''no''' '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 09:45, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

:::So you're saying that there are still userpages for users who haven't registered here? So my point still stands. If you finish deleting them, maybe you can suggest this again. But even then, none of these users have been blocked indefinitely (or ever, actually) so why are they suddenly deserving of having their user pages deleted? There's nothing stopping any of them from coming back and editing again. And you can't use the fact that the pages have been indefinitely protected as an excuse to delete them; maybe if you hadn't indefinitely protected them, they wouldn't be indefinitely protected... And why exactly did you feel the need to protect them indefinitely? It's not like they're high-traffic or high-risk, nor did the users even over-edit them. None of those pages were edited more than twice in the 24 hours preceding the block. Etbmax did indeed generally over-edit his userpage, but even so, he made only four edits to it in the week preceding the block, which is far from excessive. Dark Mai Valentine edited their userpage a total of four times, and it was three weeks after the fourth time that you arbitrarily determined that their userpage should be protected. Fuddlebob edited his page eight times in the space of a month and a half, and it was over three months after the last edit that you protected it. Jacobdf11 last edited his user page '''nine months''' before you protected it. And Amy last edited hers within a few hours of the protection, but before that she hadn't done so for four and a half months. None of these were good protects, except, arguably, Etbmax, and even then that was pretty harsh... And all of them have been active in the last year, so they could still come back at any time, and be pissed off that the userpage they worked so hard on has just been casually deleted for no good reason. There are people who have been gone from the wiki for far longer than these people, and you're not suggesting deleting their userpages. Now let's get onto the point that I didn't really want to raise, but it seems that I have to: why is HeidiHedgefox's page in there? She's been gone for less than three months and you want to delete her page? Be honest, were the other four just a convenient handful to justify that one deletion? If that really is your reason (which I'm not saying it is, just putting the possibility out there) then that's a pretty serious abuse of power... '''''<span style="font-family:Arial;">[[User:PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Penguin</font>]][[User talk:PenguinofDeath|<font color="gray">of</font>]][[Special:Contributions/PenguinofDeath|<font color="silver">Death</font>]]</span>''''' 10:45, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

::::I'm going to have to agree with PenguinofDeath on this topic. I agree with everything he's said above, but I also have a few, somewhat minor addendums. Firstly, deleting these will only make a bunch of extra red/dead links, which have the opportunity to be blue instead. The other is this; userpages aren't just of interest to the users themselves. Those userpages might have content that interest another user, and so deleting them wouldn't be particularly beneficial. These points may be considered quite minor, but the benefits of deleting these pages are very minor as well, it's literally a case of making them not appear in the drop-down search bar. No significant reason to delete, so '''Oppose'''. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 11:33, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

''"hose userpages might have content that interest another user, and so deleting them wouldn't be particularly beneficial."''

:I'll just clarify a few things about my reasoning. Red links to articles like Smashtasm are different, as they can all be removed. But with links to userpages, I don't believe we can delink when the link is in a signature. So that would be stuck as a redlink, rather than blue. But this point isn't overly relevant, I was just putting it out there.

::''While it may seem unlikely, there are ways one can wind up on another's userpage. One might be looking at some images, and see that the only place it is used is on a userpage, which said user then decides to view. Another user may have a link to a userpage in a "Users I am Friends With on SmashWiki" section, or other obscurities like that. And the most obvious would be getting linked there via Smash Arena. Point is, unlikely it may seem, it is very possible for users to find themselves on a relatively anonymous user's page, I know I myself have gone on the pages of users I have not heard of a few times, and the pages have been somewhat interesting.''

:::Again, comparing mainspace to userspace is a no-do. Smashtasm didn't deserve a place in the mainspace, because while potentially interesting, it would create big gaps in the Wiki, and would result in other articles being needed. But a userpage is ''all about''' the user in question trying to interest the reader. That's what they are there for. They are fulfilling their purpose, so I still believe that the benefit of deleting these pages is not worth it, and I do not find an overall positive.

:::Also, I do not appreciate being told to "read all of what I wrote in regards to this", I read your argument in its entirety, and have considered everything you have written. Whether or not I agree with it is a different matter. [[User:ToastUltimatum|<font color="ff8c00">'''Toast'''</font>]] [[File:Wii U Logo Transparent.png|17px|link=Special:Contributions/ToastUltimatum]][[User talk:ToastUltimatum|<font color="01a3c4">'''ltimatum'''</font>]][[File:Transparent Swadloon.png|26px]] 18:12, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

I don't see anything wrong with those user pages.  Reading the policies and putting my own opinions forward, we have no good reason to delete those pages.  Protection of user pages under [[SW:NOT]] should be used for short cool downs; indefinite should only be for pages that are being constantly edited with no good information or vandalized.  As for SW:NOT and its SmashArena implications, there is no punitive measures to that; it is only a guideline.  Would we consider someone who only edits SmashArena and their user pages for SysOp?  No.  Does that mean we ban them or don't let them edit?  I see no reason.  None of these users come close to [[User:Doc King|Doc King]] or [[User:Zeldasmash|Zeldasmash]], and I only feel that short blocks were necessary there.  Yes, ZS's user page is still protected, but that was an extreme case.  And we didn't delete his page, we protected it.

For their existence being direct problems, no they're not really. But deleting them is a start towards getting rid of userpages of useless users (yeah, that term is harsh, but there's no better term to describe them), and showing that SmashWiki is not a place for people to come and dick around without being actually helpful. Simply, if users want to use the Wiki's space for their personal means, they have to do helpful stuff to earn it. Yeah, I'm going to bring up space. Emmett would always tell us how space doesn't matter on Wikia. But we're no longer on Wikia, we're an independent Wiki that must pay for server costs and space. Porplemontage currently does this for us, and while I'm unaware of the current exact costs of the Wiki nor his own personal wealth, I'm sure he would appreciate us not inflating the cost because we allow anyone who comes and make an account to use the Wiki as their personal profile. I'm aware that deleting these pages on the Wiki doesn't remove the data they use up, but certainly Porplemontage is capable of doing something to completely remove them?

:MarioWiki having a temporary roadblock is not what I'm looking for; one could make 10 edits which add whitespace and then do whatever on their userpage. Yes they block for excessive userpageness, but I'm looking for another wiki that outright says "Contribute or have your personal stuff deleted", because that sort of threat is what you're proposing as a precedent. You may not think that other wikis matter, but your line of thinking is what's lead to this mess in the first place.

:To be frank I think you should can this while you still have the chance. All the staff who've posted here think this is a dumb idea and it looks like you're going to need indisputable proof that this is actively hurting the wiki before anyone else agrees with it.